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pluby
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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: Re: Neo Apple deal? |
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| Guest wrote: | | Pat or ed, care to share with us? |
Share what? I didn't see any new news in your link.
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: |
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"Quote:
Originally Posted by JavaCowboy
I'm worried that a native Mac OpenOffice won't happen for technical reasons.
Check out this Slashdot post by Ed Peterlin, lead developer for NeoOffice:
Hmm, well, he should be very happy soon. (Sorry, I can't recall if that's been talked about publicly by Apple or not, so I'm going to be light on details.)"
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kickaha
Hmm, well, he should be very happy soon. (Sorry, I can't recall if that's been talked about publicly by Apple or not, so I'm going to be light on details.)
Thanks for telling us..um...I mean not telling us." |
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Samwise
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: |
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I think's he's referring to the post from "Kickaha" :
| Kickaha wrote: | | JavaCowboy wrote: | I'm worried that a native Mac OpenOffice won't happen for technical reasons.
Check out this Slashdot post by Ed Peterlin, lead developer for NeoOffice: |
Hmm, well, he should be very happy soon. (Sorry, I can't recall if that's been talked about publicly by Apple or not, so I'm going to be light on details.) |
To me, it's just someone try to seem like he knows something we don't. Moreover, it doesn't sound like an Apple-NeoOffice deal to me ... |
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Sure sounds like a possible one to me.
So THIS is why Leopard has been pushed to October!... (j/k, well, maybe not)
If this is the kind of "Secret Features" of the Big Cat we keep hearing about, I'm on board!!! |
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pluby
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Samwise wrote: | | To me, it's just someone try to seem like he knows something we don't. Moreover, it doesn't sound like an Apple-NeoOffice deal to me ... |
I think your assessment is correct. Some person quotes Ed's comment about how much of a PITA it was for us to get all of the ATSUI text layout code to work correctly and seems to misinterpret it. Given that we have successfully implemented a native version of OOo for Mac, common sense would seem to indicate that doing such a port is quite feasible.
For those who don't understand Ed's quote from /., his point is that while a demo may be speedy, it is speedy because it has not implemented all use cases that OOo supports and implementing all of those use cases will likely slow down performance. For example, support for right-to-left and vertical text layout literally doubled the amount of native code that NeoOffice must wade through when laying out text.
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OPENSTEP
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Amazing...it's better than the gossip coming out of a sewing circle!
Patrick's correct in the interpretation of my statement: getting text metrics and layouts correct requires some heavy use of ATSUI which is not the speediest thing in the universe. Eventually text layout in OOo will encounter this bottleneck as well.
Text layout in Leopard may see some improvements due to Core Text (see session 136 on the WWDC listing). We will not be adopting Core Text for quite some time, if ever. We still maintian 10.3 compatibility and cannot rely on Leopard APIs for core functionality (or even Tiger for that matter). Getting font metrics, ligatures, etc. correct for all languages is not easy either and has taken years of bugfixing, so it's not something I'm eager to cause us to re-engineer for no good reason.
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MacRat
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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oh, come on!
You can spill the beans.
Patrick and Ed are being hired by Apple!
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pluby
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| MacRat wrote: | | Patrick and Ed are being hired by Apple! |
Just in case someone doesn't actually realize that MacRat is joking, Apple has not offered us positions or talked to us about NeoOffice.
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MacRat
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Apple stock drops 10% on Monday morning. |
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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1. I wonder where Kickaha in that first link is coming from then?
2. I read at that VMRL link where CoreText is supposedly written in Carbon not Cocoa so I'm not following the Modern OS rationale. Realistically, today's 10.2 "crowd" (however small it's dwindled to these days) will be tomorrow's 10.3 one who will be called the whiners... |
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sardisson
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| Guest wrote: | | Realistically, today's 10.2 "crowd" (however small it's dwindled to these days) will be tomorrow's 10.3 one who will be called the whiners... |
The vast majority of us on 10.3 now will upgrade to 10.5 this fall.
Every-other-OS-version is a reasonable upgrade/support scenario, particularly while versions are spaced 12-18 months apart. Once there are 36 months between versions, it might be less reasonable to expect support for the current and one older OS version.
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sardisson
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| MacRat wrote: | | Apple stock drops 10% on Monday morning. |
Quick, someone alert Engadget!
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MacRat
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| sardisson wrote: | | Every-other-OS-version is a reasonable upgrade/support scenario, particularly while versions are spaced 12-18 months apart. Once there are 36 months between versions, it might be less reasonable to expect support for the current and one older OS version. |
In the end, what is supported is up to Patrick and Ed.
But keep in mind that Macs run longer than your average PC and there are users out there who will never be able to use the "current" OS.
10.3 only installs on Macs with USB.
10.4 only installs on Macs with firewire.
10.5? We don't know yet. (my guess is that G3 systems will be dropped)
Nothing can be supported forever. But Macs have a long life and people are reluctant to toss them out. |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| sardisson wrote: | Every-other-OS-version is a reasonable upgrade/support scenario... | MacRat wrote: | | Apple stock drops 10% on Monday morning. |
Quick, someone alert Engadget!
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According to you... There are still those using OS 9. I'm still using 10.2.8. Sure, it would be nice to have fast user switching, widgets, spotlight and the like. What's really annoying is that I have to move to our son's PC to watch QT 7 movies. Always thought that was inexcusible of/by Apple to cut off those customers prior to Panther, 10.3. At least w/ Neo, you can run older versions if you wrere lucky enough to have it although distribution has been brown-shirted apparently. (See "This may be a really dumb question but..." thread by Chromiun Blue) |
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