Meanwhile, work boredom induced me to install Safari on XP - relentless 'safari does not recognise this certificate' etc. alerts, and now it's crashed! Well, it is a beta...
Now that I've got used to having the 'hover your mouse over a tab to select it' option from the TabMixPlus extension in FireFox, Safari tabs just aren't good enough even if you can reorder them now.
Joined: May 25, 2003 Posts: 4752 Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:27 am Post subject:
Doesn't really surprise me that it's buggy While I never used it I seem to remember my friends complaining about the stability of the first versions of iTunes for Windows as well.
Yeah once you get used to certain little browser customizations it's easy to miss them. The one that I always love is Opera's ability to retain the entire last viewed tab and window configuration with the last cached pages as well. Very fun (even though I no longer use Opera).
Meanwhile, work boredom induced me to install Safari on XP - relentless 'safari does not recognise this certificate' etc. alerts, and now it's crashed! Well, it is a beta...
Now that I've got used to having the 'hover your mouse over a tab to select it' option from the TabMixPlus extension in FireFox, Safari tabs just aren't good enough even if you can reorder them now.
- padmavyuha
Tried Safari on my son's PeeCee last night w/ XP SP2 and it kept crashing when trying to add bookmarks. Tried it on the work PeeCee today w/ XP SP2 and it ran flawlessly, even adding bookmarks... Go figure..
Needless to say it's my new PeeCee browser at work.
Still has that slight delay when going back (clicking on back button) however, annoying ... Does seem faster on the PeeCees but not by much...
Joined: May 25, 2003 Posts: 4752 Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:43 am Post subject:
While I may be wrong, I believe that is because ShapeShifter has custom themes for Safari that replace the TIFF images used for the buttons and the like. Yeah, Safari 3 doesn't seem to be a big deal to me either so I wouldn't think it's a major loss
ok... here is my question: (and yes i know this may be just guessing until the 29th..)
so it has safari. web2.0, blah blah blah. but! it is a sandbox, right? so are you limited to HTML and Javascript? web2.0 may be a buzz word, but web programming serious applications will need something else, either perl or php, or something.
now if it is a full version of the OS (as claimed) those things will be there... but if you can use perl, or php, won't that give you an 'in' to the os that could be a security issue?
i just don't see a platform surviving if javascript is the only way you can program for it. don't get me wrong, i know javascript is much more robust than just image over scripting... but it isn't exactly C either.
put it this way. if you can't make a dashboard widget of it, it can't be on the iphone...
Joined: Dec 08, 2005 Posts: 291 Location: Berlin, Germany
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:46 am Post subject:
jakeOSX wrote:
so are you limited to HTML and Javascript? web2.0 may be a buzz word, but web programming serious applications will need something else, either perl or php, or something.
Perl or PHP are supposed to run on the server, the iPhone is the client. What you get is essentially the same you get now with Safari on your desktop: regular web pages (which may be dynamically generated by a PHP/Perl/ASP/Java/whatever web application server), which you can enhance to "rich" interactive pages via Javascript.
As far as I understand, Apple will provide ways to perform certain iPhone-specific actions, like making a call or looking up the address book, either by enabling special Javascript methods and functions, or via an URL scheme like "call://number".
It's pretty much like widgets without the Dashboard.
EDIT:
As I think that you principally may do fine things with Javascript (I'm a web developer myself), it depends on what does Apple enable developers to do with the phone interface - especially in the areas access to data and functions on the phone & multitouch interface. Hosting data centrally on a server may be a good idea in a corporate environment. Having that said, this kind of programming environment doesn't look like attractive to "traditional" desktop programmers & they are probably right: a developer kit based on Objective C would be much better.
As soon as I (living in old Europe) can lay my hands on an iPhone, consider me to be in the game of programming an ODF Reader for iPhone.
As soon as I (living in old Europe) can lay my hands on an iPhone, consider me to be in the game of programming an ODF Reader for iPhone.
HAHAH! that is EXACTLY what i am doing all of this research for. =)
here is my thing tho. if you HAVE to go online to use your program, that isn't a great solution. i know where i live i can't always get good internet reception (moto Q here) and it limits your use, say on an airplane.
if that really is the only way you can get that level of programming... two things are gonna happen. either there won't be too great of programs, or javascript libraries are gonna get a kick in the butt.
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