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Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz Posted by OPENSTEP on Thursday, May 03 @ 10:41:23 CDT Recently, it has come to our attention that Sun Microsystems, a large user of NeoOffice, has officially entered the Mac porting space. In true open source style, the only possible way to address this is through an open letter. Read on for our open letter to Jonathan Schwartz and Sun Microsystems regarding their breakthrough announcement. An open letter to Jonathan Schwartz, CEO of Sun Microsystems, Inc. regarding the official Sun Microsystems Mac OS X participation announcement of May, 2007. attn: Jonathan Schwartz c/o Sun Microsystems, Inc. 4150 Network Circle Santa Clara, CA 95054 Return Receipt Requested Mr. Schwartz: Send beer. Sincerely, Edward Peterlin Chief Visionary, NeoOffice.org and The Undersigned If you agree with the content and intent of our open letter to Sun, or would just like some free beer as well, feel free to add your signature to this open letter below.   Related Links · More about StarOffice · News by OPENSTEP Most read story about StarOffice: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz Article Rating Average Score: 4.58 Votes: 254 Please take a second and vote for this article: Options   Printer Friendly Africa (Score: 1) by elh on Monday, May 21 @ 18:21:59 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Dear Mr Schwartz - I am an artist working from South Africa. I can neither afford or want to work in Microsoft products. Please continue the good work of the NeoOffice team. I wrote the articles I obtained my Fine Art degree in NeoOffice. Regards, Henning Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by bbjonz on Monday, May 21 @ 14:05:00 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Beer is good, but if that's not practical or you can't find the right brand, please help develop the program. Or do both... Joe Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by gwiz on Monday, May 21 @ 12:58:42 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) and herbs too. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by daniel35 on Monday, May 21 @ 11:28:41 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Je ne vois pas l'intérêt pour Sun de redévelopper un nouveau projet pour intégrer Open Office aux menus Aqua du Mac (en dehors de valoriser l'égo de ses équipes de développeurs). Le produit NeoOffice est excellent, et a été conçu à l'époque où personne ne se préoccupait de la bonne intégration d'OpenOffice avec Mac OS X. NeoOffice m'a toujours donné satisfaction, aussi bien dans la version 1 que dans l'actuelle version 2. Même si NeoOffice est un peu lourd à charger au démarrage, il est parfait d'utilisation. Vouloir réinventer l'eau chaude par l'équipe de Sun est complètement idiot. C'est même assez malhonnête vis à vis des équipes de développement de NeoOffice. Il serait bien plus judicieux de fusionner les deux projets. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by jmjaffe on Monday, May 21 @ 09:34:07 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) NeoOffice is just the kind of project and application that shows off the best of Sun's promise as a technology leader and as a successful open source innovator. Please don't let us down. Keep the beer flowing so that NeoOffice and Sun can continue on the high road. Michael Jaffe Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by neurula on Monday, May 21 @ 06:02:41 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Mr. Schwartz could do even better, he should install and maintain a beer brewing plan dedicated to all NeoOffice developers! Cheers Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by riwid on Monday, May 21 @ 05:18:28 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Recently handed in my Master thesis at the University of Art and Design in Helsinki, Finland. Completely written and put together in NeoOffice. Great tool. Sun: Provide beer for the developers of NeoOffice. Richard Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by fuzzieviking on Sunday, May 20 @ 20:08:59 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Love your work, hope Sun realizes how much it could gain by working with you. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by jlo47 on Sunday, May 20 @ 18:13:50 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Agree with other comments that this is a serious issue for users and developers. Though it happens all the time, the WORST thing for volunteer projects is division of labour, either intentional or unintentional. Please, please Sun microsystems, support the existing brilliant effort. Do not go down the road of making us choose between the developers who have been delivering a great product and the new heavy-hitter on the block. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by hubtai on Saturday, May 19 @ 21:49:10 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) My dear friend, you are so rich to give neooffice a hand, and neooffice is really a good application software, please do it. They need your support. Your kindess support would change the world a lot. I mean it. (not let Mircosoft control our world). Thanks hubtai Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by i-am-will on Saturday, May 19 @ 08:23:22 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I completely agree: these 2 projects should work together... and what can be better to start off with some beer... maybe some chips? :) == An open letter to Jonathan Schwartz, CEO of Sun Microsystems, Inc. regarding the official Sun Microsystems Mac OS X participation announcement of May, 2007. attn: Jonathan Schwartz c/o Sun Microsystems, Inc. 4150 Network Circle Santa Clara, CA 95054 Return Receipt Requested Mr. Schwartz: Send beer. Sincerely, Edward Peterlin Chief Visionary, NeoOffice.org and The Undersigned == Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by aussie149 on Friday, May 18 @ 20:42:48 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Get with the program, Sun. It's called NeoOffice. Oh, and if the beer has to be American, make sure it has the words "Samuel Adams" and "Boston" on the label. The rest is, as one of the world's experts on beer once said, "wet air". Peter Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by PeteForsyth on Friday, May 18 @ 12:30:30 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) As a student of the art of public relations, I must say…nice work!! Enjoy the beer, you deserve it. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by serenissimo on Friday, May 18 @ 08:21:26 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Fantastic ! Beer for everyone...but not for communist the lead SUN ! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by tfillmor on Thursday, May 17 @ 22:17:29 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) For those of us who do not drink, please send a used Sparc workstation..... 8-) Thanks! Tom Fillmore Costa Mesa, CA Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Chroma on Thursday, May 17 @ 21:02:34 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) So Excellent. However, don't forget about us under-age people. Sparkling water or something. =) Great work, and thank you all. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by JohnHancock on Thursday, May 17 @ 17:33:25 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Black Butte Porter or Obsidian Stout for me please. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by OPENSTEP on Friday, May 18 @ 14:46:42 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by lifolo on Thursday, May 17 @ 14:19:22 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I'm a recent convert to the experience that is NeoOffice - great job thus far, and I look forward to the benefits that Sun can bring to the project: Go Team Venture! Beer of choice: Rothaus Tannenzaepfle. Will accept Sam Adams. Cheers! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by sailingus on Thursday, May 17 @ 14:10:25 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Mmmm ... Beer! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by nusynth on Thursday, May 17 @ 12:36:39 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I use Neo at my home and at my office and have so for years. The level of tight integration to the Mac is unparalled. Oddly enough Neo implements Sun technology and is a poster child for Sun's development model. How do you respond when folks actually deliver on the promise of your own technology? Have a listen to "Why Can't We Be Friends" by War and have a beer or two with us. My Signature (Score: 1) by humanoid1200 on Thursday, May 17 @ 12:34:10 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I registered finally just to make sure I can sign this and get you guys some beer! Using NeoOffice with a lot of pleasure! Keep up the great work! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by nAyR on Thursday, May 17 @ 12:19:05 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) SEND BEER! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by DavidNeoOffice2 on Thursday, May 17 @ 12:00:23 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) NeoOffice is an excellent user interface for OpenOffice on the Mac. It fully meets Mac Users needs. Sun should send beer and support to the NeoOffice team. NeoOffice uses Java. Just as Java (coffee) adds to breakfast, so does Java added to OpenOffice making a great combination. The best way to showcase Sun's technology on the Mac is thru Java and OpenOffice. Build on what is great to make something greater. David Gibson (david.gibson@tcs.wap.org) Improve implementation of Java & JavaBeans on Mac by DavidNeoOffice2 on Thursday, May 17 @ 15:09:46 CDT Re: Improve implementation of Java & JavaBeans on Mac by OPENSTEP on Friday, May 18 @ 00:49:38 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by abgenis on Thursday, May 17 @ 10:13:53 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I agree. NeoOffice and beer are great! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by mickeyinlalaland on Thursday, May 17 @ 03:56:07 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I am partial to the Augustiner Bräu from a Monastery in Salzburg Austria... Otherwise see you at Oktoberfest! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by PeterL on Wednesday, May 16 @ 14:52:44 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) It seems a small reward for the magnificent effort; small beer indeed. Forget the gnat's pee you get over there. Send Rail Ale, Piston Bitter or Sleeper from the Beer Engine at Newton St Cyres in Devon. Add some real bread and mature Cheddar cheese (also unavailable stateside, I hear) and you have a feast fit for a king (ditto). Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by DanielBrice on Wednesday, May 16 @ 13:09:18 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I certainly support the Neo Office team - great product. I would love to see it be more Mac like however, and not just stick so strictly to the limitations of Staroffice. Hopefully beer could make the difference there. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by johnsreid99 on Wednesday, May 16 @ 04:01:42 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) There's already a pretty good MacOS port of Open Office, and it's called NeoOffice. It's reliable (better than the Windows version) and easy to use. With your help it can only get better. Oh, and yes thanks, I'd love a beer. Paulaner, bitte schön! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Bronzit on Tuesday, May 15 @ 22:53:20 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I support & encourage Sun's interest in sharing in the development of Open Office Aqua for both the PPC & Intel Macs. I started working with the Sun OS in 1989 & still love working with Unix, every chance I get! VR, Ron S. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by ollave on Tuesday, May 15 @ 22:34:24 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Send these boy's beer, lest they start home brewing, go blind, and can no longer write such fantastic programs for us to use. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by allegre on Tuesday, May 15 @ 20:04:31 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Dear Jonathon. I'd suggest delivery via the only open-source brewer worth it's hops, www.brewtopia.com.au A case with a label of your own making would be nice.. but if not then you may be the recipient of a case of Muppet Lager [beerbuilder.brewtopia.com.au]. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by mhollis on Tuesday, May 15 @ 17:25:38 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Please send nice beer. After all, Java's the cure the next morning. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by lesbous on Tuesday, May 15 @ 15:34:29 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I totally agree with guys from NeoOffice, they are doing a great job! So send them beer or die. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by hjbor on Tuesday, May 15 @ 04:15:34 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I totally agree with message sent by pd170 on Thursday, May 10 @ 12:49:05 PDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Vogateer on Monday, May 14 @ 12:39:21 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Beer is good. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz -Collaborate with NeoOffice Team (Score: 1) by almond on Monday, May 14 @ 11:20:26 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Jonathan, Please collaborate with Neo Office team! Re-inventing the wheel will not help the need for a strong office suite like Neo Office for the Mac. Thanks! G Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by gand on Monday, May 14 @ 10:58:01 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.freesmug.org/ Signed. I choose people, not software. P.S. Wine is good too. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by gavincowie on Monday, May 14 @ 10:06:49 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Dear Mr. Schwartz, I recommend Lagunitas Pils [lagunitas.com]. Sincerely, Gavin Ooo...czech style by OPENSTEP on Tuesday, May 15 @ 20:34:33 CDT Re: Ooo...czech style by KAMiKAZOW on Wednesday, May 16 @ 12:15:57 CDT Re: Ooo...czech style by OPENSTEP on Thursday, May 17 @ 20:48:31 CDT Re: Ooo...czech style by mickeyinlalaland on Thursday, May 17 @ 03:37:53 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by igorshergin on Monday, May 14 @ 07:53:41 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Great letter, Edward. I agreee every word. And thank you for your great job! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by dangerobby on Monday, May 14 @ 07:52:05 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Signed. Sealed. When does the beer get delivered? Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by eokyere on Monday, May 14 @ 06:35:06 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Jonathan, yes pls. by all means, pls say those magic words... "let there be beer"! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by pettefar on Sunday, May 13 @ 05:20:23 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Dear Jonathan, OpenOffice for Mac already exists! What's more the poor bastards managed to do it without the benefit of decent beer! Please help by organising an immediate shipment of the finest English beer to these fine but deprived souls. A couple of quid bunged their way to help out with future releases wouldn't come amiss either... Yours sincerely, A satisfied British user. Cheers mate! By any chance would real beer be ale? by OPENSTEP on Sunday, May 13 @ 20:23:24 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by donmontalvo on Saturday, May 12 @ 09:43:12 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) yes...send beer...please don't forget the chips! :):):) Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by TheSheik on Saturday, May 12 @ 05:20:41 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Totally agree with the idea... They must send some beer :D Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by adrianhoe on Friday, May 11 @ 20:46:17 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Great job OpenOffice/NeoOffice team. This is one of the largest open source project which is "useable". Although I am not a drinker, a beer or two in some occasion will not harm. But may I suggest something more constructive to Sun to sponsor OpenOffice/NeoOffice Camp and make it an annual event around the world. I am from Malaysia and I can help to move something here. Contact me at http://adrianhoe.net Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by KAMiKAZOW on Saturday, May 12 @ 07:57:49 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by KAMiKAZOW on Friday, May 11 @ 14:57:04 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Dear Mr. Schwartz, send them German beer (like "Zischke"). Don't hurt them with piss-like fake US beer. Thanks. Bud employs some of the best brewers... by OPENSTEP on Friday, May 11 @ 16:48:11 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Errorx on Friday, May 11 @ 09:45:28 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) :) I'm supporting u !! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by jure21 on Friday, May 11 @ 05:11:32 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Jure Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by larogna on Friday, May 11 @ 01:18:49 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) We need to involve the blogs and the AMUGs. They have to start from Neooffice and support Planamesa in improoving it. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Qreur on Thursday, May 10 @ 22:14:10 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.hoogland.co.za Sun will not with millions of dollars be able to even closely approach the elegance and functionality of NeoOffice. It will be a waste of resources better used by pooling and cooperating. Going parallel will be wasteful and play into the hands of MS Office. Please consider cooperation. Dr A Kruger South Africa. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by amadison on Thursday, May 10 @ 17:43:14 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) NeoOffice works. It's always worked. You can actually print out a document without having an engineering degree. I've just stopped by to get my Intel version for my new Mac, and I'm happy to report that it works, too. NeoOffice is the only viable alternative out there for people running small offices/home offices who don't have an IT staff. Mr. Schwartz, you should not only send beer, you should get on board with NeoOffice! Anne Madison Artist Atelier-Beads Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by DukeRobillard on Thursday, May 10 @ 17:28:42 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) It sure seems like the NeoOffice boyz have already done the work Sun is talking about starting. The system is working; all Sun needs to do it cooperate. Maybe salaries would be better than beer, though. :-) Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by milkennedy on Thursday, May 10 @ 13:49:55 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Dude, have you read Wikinomics? NeoOffice for Mac works great, put your efforts behind making it better. I second comments about re-inventing the wheel. I also second the motion on Microbrews!!! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by pd170 on Thursday, May 10 @ 13:49:05 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Sun should fund NeoOffice instead of trying to rebuild something that suits me better than MS Office. Better functions, better structures and stable. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by cesareox on Thursday, May 10 @ 08:35:15 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Could be possible to save efforts, I mean between: " What about working together with the NeoOffice-guys? They already ported OO to Mac (with Java). I think it's a mayour problem of Open Spource Projects... instead of working together to find the best solution for a broad range of users, everyone starts his own build (and maybe stumbles over the same problems). " taken from X-Ray and " X-Ray: That would involve Sun's engineers working on two different code-bases, since the NeoOffice guys don't contribute changes back to OpenOffice.org and use a different license (GPL instead of LGPL). While this approach will be slower to get started it's smarter in the long term. It would be great to see old rivalries finally resolved and the two projects re-combine, though. " taken from Simon Philips On http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/sun_microsystems_engineering_joins_porting It seems to be about 12 beers? 24? I can send you some :-). I use NeoOffice, I use OOffice on LInux and Windows. As a normal user sounds strange to have NeoOffice (that works true well) and a New Port of OpenOffice. Cheers! Why bother? by OPENSTEP on Thursday, May 10 @ 09:33:12 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Scising on Thursday, May 10 @ 02:00:21 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Pithy and humorous, no doubt, but the point is well made: there is a viable native Mac port, and you would do well to cooperate rather than compete with a solution which has already an extensive 'customer' base and community support. Scising Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by TVerBeek on Wednesday, May 09 @ 21:51:28 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Hey, why not reinvent the wheel? I mean, sure, the whole idea behind Sun's single most important technology initiative (i.e. Java) was that you wouldn't have to rewrite stuff from scratch whenever you ported to a new platform. But I'm sure there's some obvious benefit to redoing everything the NeoOffice lads have already done, and maintaining a whole separate code base... right? Like, it'd employ more programmers, and help stimulate the economy! Yeah, that's it! Or I'm sure beer would be nice. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by ciampix on Wednesday, May 09 @ 17:04:27 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Please SUN, do not reinvent the wheel and collaborate with the Neooffice team! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by jbrains on Wednesday, May 09 @ 12:39:15 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Dear Mr. Schwartz: The NeoOffice project has been a cornerstone of my business since we became a Mac shop in 2005. Sharing documents between the Microsoft Office world and the OpenOffice/NeoOffice world is fraught with enough danger. Please do not muddy the waters further by creating another clone of OpenOffice for the Mac; please support NeoOffice instead. There are plenty of viable business models you can grow around this existing, excellent product. You could even help it become more excellent. Look at what IBM has done for Eclipse! Thank you for your time, J. B. Rainsberger Diaspar Software Services PS: I would enjoy sharing a beer with you to celebrate Sun's support of NeoOffice. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by spamatica on Wednesday, May 09 @ 06:32:03 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Sign me up for a pack! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by littleurchin on Wednesday, May 09 @ 02:03:24 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Wholeheartedly agree, and could you include some potato chips too? Play the game Sun! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by ibnsawad on Tuesday, May 08 @ 09:31:51 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I support this idea of providing beer. Thanks alot for nice work and specially for supporting Arabic language in NeoOffice ( Mac OS X).. Kudos to Patrick for that by OPENSTEP on Tuesday, May 08 @ 11:01:07 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Ammsa on Tuesday, May 08 @ 08:08:39 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) yes i agree and i want more apps for mac Don't forget the lighthouse petition! by OPENSTEP on Tuesday, May 08 @ 11:05:24 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by chelsawy8 on Tuesday, May 08 @ 06:29:48 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) most of mac users use the NeoOffice , and they like it so much, they think that it is the best program for writting documents because it supports Arabic better than any other program. and personally I use it in my MacBook, and I have a lot of friends that use it in their MAC, and we all think that it is number one in writting documents because it can save the files in different formats. so please keep it in MAC, and keep supporting Arabic and keep improving it. Regards,,, Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by smatsch on Tuesday, May 08 @ 04:41:19 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I support this idea of providing beer. I'm sure that pretzels would also be welcome. Beer nuts! by OPENSTEP on Tuesday, May 08 @ 10:57:42 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by MiLyAnI on Tuesday, May 08 @ 01:00:23 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Hi, Sun , Plz do that , and one of the important thing when you do that is , keep it support Arabic , Many Mac User here any Arabic Country using Neo Office if not all of them , because it support Arabic , and as you know with thousand of ppl who is using Microsoft office it is our best way to read their Arabic doc files , and as you know Microsoft office for Mac Dose not support Arabic , so plz plz plz Sun port it to Mac Make us Happy with smiley face :) ... Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by dprieto on Monday, May 07 @ 21:23:45 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Personally I think that Sun should endorse in many forms -besides economically- the NeoOffice project. There is a lot of server space translation work, help in stuff like video and audio in the Macintosh that Sun can provide for both the OpenOffice Aqua and NeoOffice. Maybe a project merger can be of much benefit for the main NeoOffice developers. Daniel Prieto Bogotá, Colombia Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by peterbr on Monday, May 07 @ 12:31:34 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) As a Sun employee, and regular user of Neo Office, I sincerely hope that Sun will work to help and support the Neo Office project. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by lsloan on Monday, May 07 @ 08:18:24 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I'm not a drinker of alcohol myself, but I appreciate the concept of free beer. I would encourage Sun to send the NeoOffice.org team something a little more healthy (or at least, less intoxicating), though. How about a set of coupons for some free lessons at a local Taekwondo (or other martial art) school? Martial arts always good by OPENSTEP on Monday, May 07 @ 09:45:08 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Jefferz on Sunday, May 06 @ 23:19:30 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Jonathan should send you a case of beer. I work for SMI (performance modeling for the Niagara series) and regularly use NeoOffice on my MacBook, either working from home, or working at work (when our NFS servers are having a bad day). I don't what I'd do without it. -j Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by steveroyport on Sunday, May 06 @ 13:55:45 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Wonderful comment! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by pawelkono on Sunday, May 06 @ 10:22:24 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) 100 % for that...or two beers Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by heplays on Sunday, May 06 @ 01:48:49 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I urge (and don't doubt) Sun will do the logical thing and build on what NeoOffice has achieved and where the open source community has been most effective. I think an area where Sun can especially contribute is where the open source community is least effective: namely marketing and the commissioning of printed user guides and publications like "OpenOffice for dummies" to fill shelf space in the bookshops where a lot of people make their purchasing and technology decisions. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by ChristopherPrice on Sunday, May 06 @ 01:02:06 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) It makes absolutely no sense for Sun to start over and ignore the massive efforts NeoOffice have contributed to the Mac user. It's redundant, and downright illogical, to not build on NeoOffice's rendition of OpenOffice.org as the official branch. Now that OpenOffice.org has re-re-committed to the Mac platform, tapping NeoOffice's dominant Office alternative would be the optimal starting point. Christopher Price PhoneNews.com [www.phonenews.com] Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by Hakim on Monday, May 07 @ 16:33:40 CDT That is awesome! by OPENSTEP on Monday, May 07 @ 20:41:27 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by headbasher on Friday, May 18 @ 10:12:58 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by LemonAid on Saturday, May 05 @ 21:15:31 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Last time there was such an announcement ( OOo Mac Cocoa ) I was greatly upset and concerned about the fate of NeoOffice. That was over a year ago. During that time NeoOffice has been greatly improved, and we are still waiting for a pre-Alpha for Mac version (Carbon) of OOo. The OOo code base needs support efforts from as many skills programmers as possible. It's a HUGE project and I welcome all contributions. Welcome Sun programmers! This time, I'll help the whole OOo community improve it's support for Users. OH, and sip a Microbrew, or two! ;-) Philip ( Community supporter for NeoOffice and the OOo community ;-) ) Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by riverone on Saturday, May 05 @ 10:58:56 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Calvin Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by APG on Saturday, May 05 @ 07:05:52 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Excellent, excellent letter guys! As brevity is the soul of wit, and because you could only be so precise, please allow me to add: Mr. Schwartz: Microbrews. Sincerely, APG Proud NeoOffice Supporter signature (Score: 1) by amichalo on Saturday, May 05 @ 07:05:40 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I gladly sign this letter because it is clear that NeoOffice has had no only the vision Sun now sees, but the wherewithal to go it alone and release v2.1. We don't need another competing OO.osx projects, we need more support for the one we already have! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by vicjoe on Saturday, May 05 @ 03:07:23 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) This is so depressing. The "send free beer" sounds to me like defeat in the face of irrational opposition. I've spent several hours reading threads at OOo and blogs, and there are a lot of people pulling for NeoOffice. This is a crucial moment for people to step up to the plate ($$); as I understand it, there are a few bumps in the road, one being changes to the latest Apple iteration of Java that are challenging, there is no more OOo development of the X11 version, hence the newest code is no longer available to the NeoOffice team, and the announcement of Sun providing 2 full-time programmers to the OOo Aqua port will cause some expectant (naive?) users to withhold donations to NeoOffice (the OOo Aqua version will be Carbon, not Cocoa, btw). Fact is, Sun has made promises concerning the Mac platform before and has failed to deliver; also there is some kind of weird hubris among the OOo people, who seem to have marginalized NeoOffice, e.g. where the only link you can find in OOo pages to NeoOffice is from their Wiki. Open software development sure doesn't automatically mean open minds when it comes to sharing experience. If we don't get our priorities straight, we could end up with the worst of Office alternative worlds: unexpected (but predictable) complications in the OOo Aqua port, NeoOffice fading due to lack of support, leaving only $$ for Pages (nice app, but try importing any complex MS files), or coughing up big bucks for the upcoming Mac MS Office 2008 suite, both of which defeat the whole idea of the open software movement. Disclaimer: I have no association with the NeoOffice people, and I've only sent a small contribution ('cause I'm dirt poor). Contribute now or be in office suite hell in a year from now. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by pluby on Saturday, May 05 @ 09:24:02 CDT Latest code always available to us... by OPENSTEP on Saturday, May 05 @ 11:22:58 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Pomona on Saturday, May 05 @ 00:43:18 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) NeoOffice guys have been doing the hard yards. Stick with them. As a Mac user they have provided a great service to me and others. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by nickb69 on Friday, May 04 @ 23:00:36 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Hello, I am just writing to congratulate you for such a great software program. I am not a tech person but do not understand why Sun is making the wheel again since you already have developed this program. When I bought my first Macbook after coming from Windows I decided that I wanted to use something new and I found out that your program was about to come out with an Intel release. I therefore participated in the first NeoOffice Early Access Program for the Intel platform and since then I have been a happy camper. I like your latest aesthetic improvement in particular the Cristal icon style which I think is the nicest. The programs you have work geat and I onestly can say that it gets nicer by the day and I do not miss MSOffice. So thank you again for taking the time to make such a nice product. It is a noble gesture to share your skills with others for free, even though I have to admit that I did pay once at the beginning. Well it has been worth it and I thank you for it! :-) Best, Nick I second this opionion from the bottom of my heart. by doctype on Saturday, May 05 @ 03:27:25 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by Luhmann on Friday, May 04 @ 01:53:13 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Would it be too much to ask for a link to the participation announcement you refer to. I did a search on Sun's website and on Jonathan Schwartz' blog and couldn't find anything relevant. Moreover, your tongue in cheek reply doesn't really explain what might be at stake here... Thanks! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by pluby on Friday, May 04 @ 09:49:45 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by ebernet on Thursday, May 03 @ 13:11:41 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) I really thought the open letter would be more a request for collaboration. It is still not clear, not from reading your letter (funny, I grant you, but somewhat offtopic) and from their blog post whether there is ANY communication between your teams or any attempt to bring your two development efforts together under one umbrella. One could only hope. Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by OPENSTEP on Thursday, May 03 @ 14:02:24 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by ebernet on Thursday, May 03 @ 15:47:04 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by jeromatron on Tuesday, May 08 @ 23:15:34 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by OPENSTEP on Wednesday, May 09 @ 01:01:39 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by jeromatron on Wednesday, May 09 @ 01:43:51 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by OPENSTEP on Wednesday, May 09 @ 09:38:50 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by ebernet on Friday, May 11 @ 16:45:57 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by OPENSTEP on Saturday, May 12 @ 19:04:51 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by sardisson on Thursday, May 03 @ 12:42:03 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) http://www.ardisson.org/ Send Ed lots of beer...and then look out! Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by davelentz on Thursday, May 03 @ 12:35:41 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) Can't sell the codebase, it's open source! But Mr Schwartz can certainly purchase the souls and/or services of Mssrs Patrick Luby and Edward Peterlin for an appropriate amount. If you look at the distance they've travelled in making NeoOffice the world-class OS X software it is today, hiding or fixing the areas where OpenOffice falls short in that area, they are without doubt the foremost experts on this particular problem in the Milky Way Galaxy. Mr Schwartz should snap them up before Apple does and puts them in charge of the effort! You can sell licensing rights... by OPENSTEP on Thursday, May 03 @ 12:43:39 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz by williw on Friday, May 11 @ 03:24:56 CDT Re: Open Letter to Jonathan Schwartz (Score: 1) by ovvldc on Thursday, May 03 @ 12:21:27 CDT (User Info | Send a Message) P.S. Dear mr. Schwartz, Actually, instead of hiring more people, you could make an offer to Patrick and Ed to sell their codebase to you. It will only be a mild six figure sum, and it is probably worth at least a year in time having a seasoned programmer get used to the OOo codebase and Mac peculiarities. However, beer is always good.

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