Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: Blowing off steam
I've been pretty irritated lately, and seeing a posting recently by one of the (non-Sun, but paid corporate) OpenOffice.org engineers actively encouraging people not to check out NeoOffice really made my blood boil.
I found Brett's posting this morning in the development thread very theraputic:
berchca wrote:
ericbachard wrote:
2) why not contribute directly for OpenOffice.org ?
Because I use a Macintosh, and they apparently do not.
I think that sums things up quite nicely
Smokey
(yes, I realize that's a gross oversimplification of everything...but this is Ranting, after all...I also have another rant about OOo and the Mac Porting Team's handling of Mac bug reports, but that's for another day....) _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:20 am Post subject: Re: Blowing off steam
sardisson wrote:
<edit>I found Brett's posting this morning in the development thread very theraputic:
berchca wrote:
ericbachard wrote:
2) why not contribute directly for OpenOffice.org ?
Because I use a Macintosh, and they apparently do not.
I think that sums things up quite nicely
Smokey
I feel your pain.
As a (concerned? ) bystander, I get very frustrated by the posturing concerning OOo development efforts. If a group doesn't like what the other does, why can't they be polite.
I think that NeoOffice supporters work hard to support the entire OOo effort. I'd like to think (Ok, it's a dream fantasy! ) that we are all trying to do the same thing - advance the OOo cause.
For some strange reason NeoOffice efforts have become very important to me! I'm comfortable with the people and efforts here at trinity. Why do I find myself becoming "hostile" when I feel people are attacking NeoOffice efforts?
Please stop : I had no bad idea, I don't want to "attack" neoOffice people : it was simply questions.
Why do you always turn everything I write in bad things or worse ?
To answer LemonAid :
You are welcome to come help us for fix OpenOffice.org issues : sign JCA and propose patches. Thank's in advance.
Please stop : I had no bad idea, I don't want to "attack" neoOffice people : it was simply questions.
Why do you always turn everything I write in bad things or worse ?
To answer LemonAid :
You are welcome to come help us for fix OpenOffice.org issues : sign JCA and propose patches. Thank's in advance.
Apparently, Eric has not taken the time to read through the Lesser GPL. The JCA should not be needed anymore if the contribution is to OPENOFFICE.ORG only. If you are contributing code that may make it back into StarOffice (which I am working on such a project), then the JCA becomes LEGALLY necessary only if you are in an INTERNATIONAL Copywrite signatory country (the United States IS NOT ONE OF THEM.) Thus, I could sign a JCA and if it were not for SUN being a US company, this document is worthless. Thus, anyone who has an idea on how to improve or fix OpenOffice.org can contribute their code fixes WITHOUT signing a JCA IF THEIR CODE CANNOT BE UTILIZED for StarOffice (a commercial product.) SINCE SUN HAS NO STATED INTENTIONS TO BRING FORTH A MACINTOSH VERSION OF STAROFFICE A JCA IS UNNECESSARY ADMINISTRATIVE PAPERWORK WHICH IS WORTHLESS. Yes, I had a Copywrite Lawyer look over the JCA because of concerns with a NDA signed with my current employer. This was his legal opinion after SUN abandoned the SSISL (that required a JCA because of legal issues.) Thus, if Mox, JoeBob, LemonAid or anyone else for that matter wish to donate code back to Sun, all they have to do is open an issue, create a Child WorkSpace and put their code there. An appropriate person from Sun will review the code to insure that no more issues arrise from the use of said code and it will be integrated with the OpenOffice.org codebase. That's it. Even the Sun OpenOffice.org webpages removed the requirement for a JCA....
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject:
(to Eric)
Oh, I'm sorry, really, I'm an asshole, but I was born in New Jersey, so I only know really how to speak faux Yiddish. English is not my native language so whenever I'm an asshole it really isn't my fault, I guess I was misunderstood in my poor translation.
At least I'm strong enough to admit I'm an asshole regardless of my native language. I'm sure my ex-girlfriend can second that, too. Feel free to look her up if you need a character witness.
We're a GPL operation, Mac only, and yes, hate Louis and his clown antics. What we do is free for all if you can dig the licensing terms and lack of corporate sponsorship. If you don't like that, go suck a donkey. Full reports expected in the morning.
Oh, I'm sorry, really, I'm an asshole, but I was born in New Jersey, so I only know really how to speak faux Yiddish. English is not my native language so whenever I'm an asshole it really isn't my fault, I guess I was misunderstood in my poor translation.
Good thing this one was posted in ranting under the heading of 'blowing off steam' in the first place .
Au revoir,
Oscar _________________ "What do you think of Western Civilization?"
"I think it would be a good idea!"
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
I have no need to duck. Eric is an asshole. Being a first class asshole myself, he should take that as a compliment. First major Philip Asshole.
ed <--- keep firing assholes!
Dark Helmut: What about him.
Commander: He's an Asshole too, sir.
Dark Helmut: Who here is an Asshole!
Staff (about half of them): Yo!
Dark Helmut: I'm surrounded by Assholes!
(closes helmet). Keep firing Asshole....
Sounds like the fight that has been going on around here.
Sadly, the only one's who lose are the users.
(And I agree with Ed's assessment of Eric B.)
And to leave this on a brighter note... Lighten up people. We only get one go round on this blue marble. I'm not worried about what Eric is or is not doing as there are better programmers, engineers, et. al. involved with both NeoOffice and OpenOffice.org. And Eric, you are in CHARGE of the Aqua port, whether or not you wanted the job.
Oh, I'm sorry, really, I'm an asshole, but I was born in New Jersey, so I only know really how to speak faux Yiddish. English is not my native language so whenever I'm an asshole it really isn't my fault, I guess I was misunderstood in my poor translation.
Whadda mean? You from Jousey? You speak the Yiddish....
I'm originally from the Jewish Alps (the NORTHERN END).....
And I understood you perfectly.
OPENSTEP wrote:
We're a GPL operation, Mac only, and yes, hate Louis and his clown antics. What we do is free for all if you can dig the licensing terms and lack of corporate sponsorship. If you don't like that, go suck a donkey. Full reports expected in the morning.
"They" almost reached an agreement to do what's best for OOo users as a whole. It's actually kinda of funny. Quote: We need to do these ... steps for Mac, but let's not do them because ...?
Philip (Not going to give up my day job ... yet! )
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