Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: user opinion
sardisson wrote:
Folks, can we please keep the accusations and non-productive comments out of this forum (say, in Ranting, if you must)
The original poster asked a simple question and, if I were a newcomer, the "answers" he/she got, for the most part, would not leave me with a favorable impression of either "team"/"product".
As longtime follower of these forums and user of both products, I find that the despite a veneer of "evenhandedness" in response to questions by users about the relative progress or capabilities of the two products- there are lots of subtle digs made about openoffice. This of course results in mister bachard responding and then people rounding on him and sneering.
If you want to be nasty or mean, do it in an email to him separately. I just bought an iMac Intel- I had the same question as the newcomer. Dissing openoffice (in whatever persnicketty subtle fashion you can) when there isn't a beta build of neooffice on intel on offer is well... bad form. Now, you are probably going to remind me that I am ungrateful about you saving my life by developing neooffice- well save it. I'm not stupid. Everyone rows their own boat.
I just find this whole thing sounds like bad turf war. A long time ago I used to be a computer salesman and the one thing I thing I got from that job is never diss your competition.
There is a two camp feel to this openoffice mac thing that is going on (and well, those of us caught in the middle)
truth is, there are two camps. there is the neooffice camp who started off as the porters of openoffice.org to the mac (remember, oo.o on the mac is a port, not an official release). they started neo to see about native code for the mac.
after they left a new group took over. the two groups dissagree over liscencing, method, and other things.
mac is the only group with two versions of openoffice.org. (well, used to be three, back in the 'brand X' days, just to show my age) do we need two? sure, why not. competition is good. neo 1.1 had features not even the windows 1.1 version had, good stuff there. openoffice.org x11 2.0 runs on intel macs, before word does, good stuff.
are there minced words? sure, it happens. especially since we provide support for the x11 port. personnally i use both programs. i support both programs. and i have no issue telling someone that the answer to their problem is to use neo, or use oo.ox112.0, if that is in fact the answer. we should not candy coat problems to make one look better than the other. they are what they are.
openoffice.org x11, it is 2.0, has more openoffice.org features than neo
neo, it is 1.1.5, has more native mac features than oo.ox11
there it is.
and my only wish for the oo.o guys is that eric (and others) would post to answer questions, not just 'defend' their stance.
and my only wish for the oo.o guys is that eric (and others) would post to answer questions, not just 'defend' their stance.
And also stop being jackasses and trolling in random Neo topics.
Note, not all of the people who work on OOo or even the Mac port are jackasses. There are only two jackasses and one sleazebag.
What I would like is one "We were wrong about Cococa" so that most of us in the developer/build team can say "We told you so, but you would not listen".
I would also agree that most of the the Mac OS X porting team are fine to work with. There are a couple that can be difficult, but one has been humbled (and I did not do it.)
BTW, Eric handed over the task of leading the QA of 2.0.2 rc 4 to me. I think this shows that he can and does learn. And yes, I'm not out the 'get him'. I just want the best product for the end user.
What I would like is one "We were wrong about Cococa" so that most of us in the developer/build team can say "We told you so, but you would not listen".
And what, pray tell, would that achieve? Other than feeding a couple of egos in people who are already convinced they knew better anyway.
Please, just let this controverse die. Stop rehashing.
best wishes,
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject:
I started off with green chili, graduated to tabasco, but that was not enough. Habanero sauce is one of my best friends. I have three different varieties at home and it usually accompanies me to restaurants. In mass quantities it can be as cleansing as atkins pasta...
Pfft. I've been wrong many times and I'm proud of it! In fact I think there's good historical evidence in the /C CVS repository...
I started off with green chili, graduated to tabasco, but that was not enough. Habanero sauce is one of my best friends. I have three different varieties at home and it usually accompanies me to restaurants. In mass quantities it can be as cleansing as atkins pasta...
Until he retired, I knew of a person who grew Scotch Bonnet's (they are actually hotter than Habanero's.) He brought in a sample of his salsa once. The saying 'A little goes a long way' applied.
OPENSTEP wrote:
Pfft. I've been wrong many times and I'm proud of it! In fact I think there's good historical evidence in the /C CVS repository...
I'm willing to bet there is.
And I'm definately one to say I've had my share of mistakes. One ended up with me getting a federal rap sheet (I was not convicted, but I did spend quite a few hours with Federal investigators. It was a case of working for the wrong person.) In any case, it is the ability to humble one's self and admit that you made a mistake and then carry on. And I will admit that I thought it was much easier to 'upgrade' versions in NeoOffice. I was seriously mistaken. However, it did prove to be an interesting exercise and kept me (and a couple of others) busy for a couple of weeks.
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