How do you write [cmd] in *your* language?

yoxi · Last edited by yoxi on Thu May 04, 2006 1:59 pm; edited 1 time in total

I'm editing the language resources in the macro DicOOo.sxw, which is the basis for the dictionary installer wizard. It currently tells the user to hold down [ctrl] while clicking if they want to select more than one language for dictionary, hyphens, or thesaurus - but in OSX this should be [cmd].

I need to know how people write cmd (as in short for the command key or apple key) in their language, so that I can corretly replace all the references to ctrl (or their equivalent in the different languages).

Does anyone know of a web resource for translations of key stuff like this for mac users, or failing that, just tell me how you'd write it in your own language and I'll keep a list.

Thanks...

- Padmavyuha

OPENSTEP · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject:

Do you know if there are any characters for the cloverleafish command icon thingy? If so, I'd say to use that as it'd be roughly language independent Smile

ed

yoxi · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject:

Hah - I was trying to be too clever - being a budding webmaster, I was unconsciously thinking 'this has got to work cross-platform, so I can't just insert the symbol', when of course it only has to work on a mac!

So I've edited the macro, all references in all the languages it supports are changed from [ctrl] to [?] (if that comes out on your browser as the cloverleaf), and it's available in bugzilla #1439 if you folks want to include it in a future patch of the app.

I think this will make new users' lives easier. And Patrick, I'm happy to re-do this if/when the macro itself ever gets updated. It's a very trivial change to the language block text segments, and doesn't dick around with the actual code at all - this should not make any extra work for you... Smile

- padmavyuha

pluby · The Architect Joined: Jun 16, 2003 Posts: 11949

iking · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject:

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yoxi · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject:

The thing is, NeoOffice (and not OOo X11) is the only OOo platform that needs the macro to say [cmd] rather than [ctrl]. Laurent Godard, the author of DicOOo.sxw has not written the code with the flexibility to change this entry in each language only if it's invoked by a NeoOffice user (and why would he? I think his original macro predates NeoOffice!).

This is why I did this NeoOffice-hack version. In Laurent's code, there are 2 modules called Translation & Translation2 which contain between them the text strings for the 25-odd languages his macro supports (equivalent of localizable.strings rather than part of the actual executable code). Each language section has a line which is the equivalent of the English:

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yoxi · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:53 am Post subject:

static · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject:

I had never heard it called the "command" key before recently - my friend would always tell me "hit apple-Q!" You could potentially use the word for apple!

Example in French: Pomme-Q

Just an idea...

yoxi · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:

The reason I think the cloverleaf symbol makes more sense than 'apple' (or even the apple symbol) is that every mac keyboard has one, whereas many 3rd party mac keyboards (such as the one I'm now typing on) have the cloverleaf but no apple. And using the symbol is better than 'cmd' because it's international, so no need to worry about what 'command' is in different languages.
I've written to Laurent (en franÃ§ais imparfait) about the possibility of incorporating an OSX-native check into his macro code and adapting the modifier accordingly - we'll see what he says, if he can make sense of my french (what *is* french for 'modifier key', anyway? 'clÃ©-modificatrice' sounds way too wordy for tech-french Smile

) For politics' sake I've pushed the 'if/when Eric et al get their OSX-native version out, there'll be even more OOo mac-users who need this' angle Cool

- Padmavyuha

pluby · The Architect Joined: Jun 16, 2003 Posts: 11949

yoxi,

You might want to pass on the word that the way to detect that this is a Mac native version of OOo (either Neo or some future OOo Aqua port) is too look at the following OOo registry entry:

/org.openoffice.Office.Common/Help

In that entry, there is a property called "System" and if it is equal to "MAC", then a cloverleaf should be displayed. Any other value should use the existing text. This is the property that OOo's help system uses to toggle on "Command" instead of "Control".

BTW, until the next Neo patch, the "System" property is "UNIX". In OOo 1.1.x, this property was in a different file so my installer scripts for Neo 2.0 didn't update it and in the Neo help, you'll see many "Control" instead of "Command" references.

Patrick

yoxi · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the tip, Patrick - this is doing me a lot of good, for one thing I'm definitely having to polish up my tech-french!

- Padmavyuha