Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2004 1:48 am Post subject: When will NeoOffice/J be using 1.1(.1?) codebase?
THe subject says it all.
I cannot get any information about the OOo X11 development speed. I think the most promising project to date is NeoOffice/J. So how much work would it be to make NeoOffice/J 0.9 an OOo 1.1(.1?) release?
ANd are there any plans to eventually get there?
I just started to use Neo/J and so far it works flawlessly, and has a so much better font rendition than the X11 version that I would probably stop using the X11 version if I had 1.1.1 functionality (and better speed). And of course Java 1.4.2 would be the icing on the cake.
I am afraid that's a lot of work, though, and I guess there are far too few people working on it.
I'd like to know short and long term goals, and see a roadmap, though. That might motivate more people to help if we saw something glittering just beyond the road curve...
I'd like to know short and long term goals, and see a roadmap, though. That might motivate more people to help if we saw something glittering just beyond the road curve...
A roadmap would be really nice! Even if it's just a 'sticky' post here in the forum.
Maybe you could quickly discuss the issues involved in moving to the 1.1(.1) code base, as well as to Java 1.4(.2), and when (or if) these issues may be resolved.
I know you're very busy, but these questions are sure to be asked a lot as more newcomers show up on the forum...
Based on the discussion, it seems to me that there is some confusion about how the NeoOffice/J development process works. From the discussion, I sense that many of you are looking for a "roadmap" or "timeline" similar to what software companies routinely provide.
These items do not exist. Why not? Well, primarily because NeoOffice/J is not developed by a company that is trying to sell you copies of their software. Instead, it is developed by one person (i.e. me) that develops NeoOffice/J in his spare time. In other words, NeoOffice/J is my hobby.
I make my living as a software consultant which leaves me with enough time to make progress on NeoOffice/J. However, I never publish timelines because if a paid consulting contract becomes available, I work on the paid contract first.
For those of you that are curious how much work would be required to move NeoOffice/J to the OOo 1.1 codebase, I have a "proposed roadmap" document available at http://www.planamesa.com/doc/proposal.html.
As you can see from the proposed roadmap, it would require a minimum of 3 - 4 months of full-time work to move the code to the OOo 1.1 codebase. Both NeoOffice/J and OOo 1.1 are very labor-intensive development projects.
I didn't want a commercial product roadmap, but some kind of plan about what you're going to do. Is your proposed roadmap something you really work on or just an outline on what you could do if you had more time?
i.e. do you intend to work on porting NeoOffice/J to the 1.1(.1) codebase?
Unfortunately I cannot help you out as I am myself working on several software projects plus university studies. But perhaps someone else here can.
I really would love to see you starting the project and perhapss release some sort of alpha when you get it compiled.
And be sure the I really appreciate your hard work. Perhaps you could make up a wishlist on Amazon so that we could buy you a book or a CD?
help is a problem we have been recently discussing.
there are about three programmers here, two for the OO.o/X11 and NeoOffice projects and one for Neo/J (if i forgot anyone it was not on purpose).
There are lots of people, like myself, who want to help, but can't because of lack of knowledge on programming languages. We try to help as best we can.
the port to 1.1 code base is a big project. probably about as big as the initial Neo/J project was because of all the changes. The current OO.oX11 port will help some, but there will still be many issues.
I agree that moving to 1.1.1 codebase would be the first thing to do. The application is much more stable and compatible with MS Office, and it is also *much* faster. I hope that moving Neo/J to 1.1.1 would gain as much.
Patrick, you write of moving to Java 1.4.2 + accessibility code. I am not clear ass to what constitutes the accessibility code, what does it bring. Apart from the mouse wheel, the thing I am most hoping for in such a move is added performance (I have a lowly TiBook/400). How much would it cost in time if you were to separate Java 1.4.2 and accessibility?
And as for the Amazon Wish List, I also propose iTMS Gift Cards (well, once we get them in Europe, anyway )
Patrick, you write of moving to Java 1.4.2 + accessibility code. I am not clear ass to what constitutes the accessibility code, what does it bring.
Patrick, along the lines of lga's question, I wondered whether drag-and-drop was predicated on Java 1.4.x or if it's easier to implement in 1.4.x or just is lumped in the same category as one of the "lesser-used features." (To me it wouldn't be lesser-used; I much prefer drag-drop to cut-paste )
Also, would I be right in assuming that OOo drag-drop is more or less similar to standard Mac drag-drop (within and between apps)?
I ponder and pose these questions aloud because I know you've mentioned before that the switch to Java 1.4.x would leave all the OS X 10.2.x userbase behind and wonder if--time/resources permitting, of course --drag-and-drop might not be a nice piece of Mac-like behavior to have in a "last version that supports 10.2.x."
(I guess I should also add that it's unclear to me when this will all be relevant, so I might be just singing to the clouds....)
Overall, Java 1.4.x only helps to implement mouse wheel support and accessibility. Drag-and-drop is not made any quicker or easier with Java 1.4.x.
As for Iga's question, separating out accessibility does not make the Java 1.4.x upgrade any easier. In fact, the accessibility code is really simple code. All of the effort will be fixing all of the existing code that will break due to Java 1.4.x's bugs or differences from Java 1.3.x.
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