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mm77
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Joined: Mar 25, 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: short name citations

Hi, can anybody explain how the short name system works in the bibliography tool? I would like to enter in-text citations into a document using apa style. All I seem to be able to do is enter a short name in to the document. Thanks, mike.
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PadreSol
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Joined: Apr 16, 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: short name citations

Same question for me, I thought I was missing something obvious. But as far as the instructions for inserting a bibliography from the bibilograhpy db I followed those correctly. So is it broken? If it's broken is there a bug logged?
I just spent a half-hour entering entries in the db now I can't use them. Is there a way to export them to a text file from the db?
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pluby
The Architect
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Joined: Jun 16, 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject:

I have not seen many bibliography questions on this site in the past and I am not terribly familiar with this feature. So, can you list some sample steps that we can use to try to reproduce what you are trying to do?

Patrick
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PadreSol
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject:

Thanks pluby. I hope it's something stupid that I'm doing so I can make this work, since I have a deadline (who doesn't?)

Here's my workflow:

Added entries to Biblio db.

Then in the document I go to Insert->index/tables->biblio entry->select from biblio db->insert->(at this point it has inserted the shortcode)->close

Now I have an entry like [MSCdC-011] in my document instead of the text of the bibliography.

Am I expecting something that I shouldn't be expecting?
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pluby
The Architect
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject:

Thank you for the steps. I can easily reproduce the same behavior that you are seeing. Unfortunately, I think there is some undocumented trick to this so I'll have to keep poking around to see if I can find what magical step we are missing.

Edit: This tutorial looks promising. I haven't worked through the entire tutorial, but it appears to indicate that you have to do some preliminary steps before inserting the bibliographic entries.

Patrick
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PadreSol
Blue Pill


Joined: Apr 16, 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject:

I am the proud owner of a bouncing new ..... Bibliography!!
Thanks pluby!

And for the OP, additional steps are (once you added shortcodes)

Choose Insert > Indexes and Tables > Indexes and Tables->Type->Bibliography


At the url that pluby found (I looked pretty good and did not find that BTW)
the screenshots have been squished down with html tags but in firefox if you right-click->view image you'll see the image clearly in its original form.

Nice, just not intuitive, and should be added to the docs. Once it's in the docs then problem is solved.
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Lorinda
Captain Mifune


Joined: Jun 20, 2006
Posts: 2051
Location: Midwest, USA

PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject:

I've added a link to the bibiliography tutorial to the NeoWriter page in our wiki.

Lorinda
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Kiwisteve
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Joined: Oct 09, 2008
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Location: Wellington, New Zealand

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: short name citations

pluby wrote:
I have not seen many bibliography questions on this site in the past and I am not terribly familiar with this feature. So, can you list some sample steps that we can use to try to reproduce what you are trying to do?

Patrick


One suggestion I have is check out Zotero. It is an opensource biblio application that integrates with Firefox Browse and OpenOffice/NeoOffice (and MS Word).

It allows capture of reference data direct from say a library catalogue/database etc. so can save a lot of data entry

I have found it to be far better than the internal Biblio utility. It is an ongoing development and improving all the time.

www.zotero.com

or check teh NeoOffice Wiki for links
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OPENSTEP
The One
The One


Joined: May 25, 2003
Posts: 4752
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject:

Wow, I didn't know Zotero did a Neo extension! I had bookmarked that project a while back as one to look for making an extension if I had some free time. EndNote's always been closed source so there wasn't even a starting point if the company wasn't involved.

ed
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ovvldc
Captain Naiobi


Joined: Sep 13, 2004
Posts: 2352
Location: Zürich, CH

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject:

This looks good! Has anyone tried entering Zotero citations in a .doc document and then opening it in NeoOffice?

I know that EndNote citations are simply removed if you open a Word the document in NeoOffice, which annoys me to no end.

BTW, they mention Python support is broken on OOo3..

Best wishes,
Oscar

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pluby
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject:

ovvldc wrote:
BTW, they mention Python support is broken on OOo3.


Are there any steps to test this? A couple of days ago I finally got the library loading in NeoOffice 3.0 fixed (after OpenOffice.org's "three product layering" broke it) so that extension loading works. So, I wonder if the Python issues are the result of the same OOo 3.0 brokenness.

Patrick
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ovvldc
Captain Naiobi


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject:

I have no idea. All I know was what I read in their documentation.

Best wishes,
Oscar

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James3359
The Merovingian


Joined: Jul 05, 2005
Posts: 685
Location: North West England

PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject:

Broken Python support in OSX is Issue 92661 on OOo. Scheduled to be fixed at version 3.0.1.
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pluby
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:05 am    Post subject:

James3359 wrote:
Broken Python support in OSX is Issue 92661 on OOo. Scheduled to be fixed at version 3.0.1.


The sample Basic code in that bug works fine in my NeoOffice 3.0 Early Access development build so I suspect that their new "three layer packaging" (which I have already fixed in NeoOffice) is the cause.

I suspect that this three layer packaging change is also causing significant performance problems in OpenOffice 3.0 so I may need to change things so that the old, simpler way is used.

Patrick
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