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Caption numbering created in MS Word
 
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Massachute246
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Joined: Feb 14, 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Caption numbering created in MS Word

I am trying NeoOffice for the first time (as a possible replacement for Word 2004 for me), so forgive me if the answer to this question should be obvious. I haven't been able to find an answer searching this forum or the Wiki pages.

I have lots of documents with a lot of caption numbering fields in them. I actually recruited Word's caption numbering facility a long time ago to use for example numbering in technical manuscripts, since otherwise the example numbering got in the way of section and paragraph numbering -- but that's another story. The fact is, I have lots of documents with what Word thinks is caption numbering.

When I open these documents in NeoOffice, all the caption numbering fields are displayed as 0 (zero). The same documents in Word 2004 show correctly sequential numbering (1, 2, 3 etc.). Is there anything I can do to make these documents usable and correctly update the fields within NeoOffice?
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narf
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Joined: Jan 21, 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject:

Unfortunately the most likely the problem is that NeoOffice cannot fully convert your document from Word format. While NeoOffice can accurately convert most documents, there are some documents that it cannot. Microsoft Word is a set of proprietary file formats so non-Microsoft applications like NeoOffice have had to reverse engineer Microsoft's file format. As a result, there can be a loss of formatting when opening a Word document in NeoOffice.

However, there is a chance that NeoOffice's Microsoft import filters may be able to handle this aspect of your document in our upcoming release. Can you attach a sample document that we can take a look at?

Instuctions on how to attach files to your post

--fran
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Massachute246
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:13 am    Post subject:

Thanks for your reply. I'm attaching a document, as you requested.
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pluby
The Architect
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Joined: Jun 16, 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject:

Thank you for attaching a sample document.

Unfortunately, I have bad news. I tested your sample document in our latest NeoOffice 3.0 Early Access 2 release and the same problem occurs. I also checked out the following other applications and they also cannot handle the caption numbers:

1. OpenOffice.org 3.0 and 3.1 - Fails and all captions are shown as "65535"
2. Apple's TextEdit application - Fails and all captions are shown as " SEQ ( \* ARABIC 1"

So it seems that only Microsoft Office can understand these caption numbers. Sad

Patrick
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Massachute246
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:35 am    Post subject:

Thank you for checking on the problem.

I'm just curious though -- these are just MS Word fields, right? So is there a reason why NeoOffice (and evidently Open Office 3.0 as well) processes other types of fields correctly, but not these? (Hopefully an easily fixable reason...?)
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pluby
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject:

Massachute246 wrote:
I'm just curious though -- these are just MS Word fields, right? So is there a reason why NeoOffice (and evidently Open Office 3.0 as well) processes other types of fields correctly, but not these? (Hopefully an easily fixable reason...?)


Microsoft Office file formats are proprietary file formats that Microsoft has always treated as trade secrets. What this means is that no one has either 1) encountered a file with the proprrietary bits that your file has or 2) no one has been able to reverse engineer how to handle these bits.

Unfortunately, reverse engineering file formats is outside of our expertise (out expertise is getting Windows and Linux code working smoothly on Mac OS X) and so we rely on the tiny team of OpenOffice.org engineers that Sun Microsystems employs to reverse engineer these file formats.

I doubt this is an easy bug to fix given that Apple's TextEdit cannot handle these file bits and Apple even has a close relationship with Microsoft. But what you can do is file a bug in the OpenOffice.org issue tracker to get it on the radar of the core OpenOffice.org developers and if they fix the bug, the new behavior will get included in a future release of NeoOffice:

http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html

Note : our advice is to not mention NeoOffice as mentioning NeoOffice may cause OOo volunteers to accidentally close it without actually reviewing your bug.

Patrick
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