Welcome to NeoOffice developer notes and announcements
NeoOffice
Developer notes and announcements
 
 

Download or installation problems? Try these steps
Problems after upgrading to NeoOffice 2017? Try these steps


Support
· NeoOffice Support
· NeoWiki


Announcements
· Twitter @NeoOffice


Downloads
· Download NeoOffice


RSS Feeds
· Announcements Only
· All Posts


  
NeoOffice :: View topic - OS X rocks, Football Manager doesn't
OS X rocks, Football Manager doesn't
 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    NeoOffice Forum Index -> Ranting
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Samwise
Captain Naiobi


Joined: Apr 25, 2006
Posts: 2315
Location: Montpellier, France

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: OS X rocks, Football Manager doesn't Reply with quote

Today I bought a wireless Bluetooth adpater to go with my wireless Mighty Mouse. Although I bought it at Geneva's Apple Center (ART Computer), it only came with a manual and software for Windows, and I was a bit worried that it wouldn't work. Well, a few seconds after plugging it in, it was completely recognized by the system and working ! That's true plug-and-play (not Microsoft plug-and-play) Smile

I recently installed a demo of Football Manager 2007, which I rarely use (unlike my borther, who has the Windows demo and bothered me until I downloaded installed it on my Mac). When the time came to install, instead of the native Mac OS X Installer, I had to install it with ... a Java port of InstallShield Wizard !!! What can it do that the OS X Installer can't ! I was under the impression that FM had relatively good Mac support, but I guess I was mistaken Sad


Last edited by Samwise on Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:40 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
OPENSTEP
The One
The One


Joined: May 25, 2003
Posts: 4752
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as a user as well as a commerical Mac developer I can kind of see both sides of the coin...

Personally I still use Installer VISE for all my company's products as that's the only solution that can support OS 9 as well as OS X users with a single installer. The InstallShield stuff was from ZeroG IIRC which really was not that bad of an installer package.

For simple installers that don't really require graphical user interaction at install time, Apple's Installer.app has been very good. The problem really shows when you need to prompt the user to do things like choose an X11 server, a language, a power source type (240V vs. 120V). Prior to 10.4, the Apple installer was really not customizable to handle those types of things in an easy fashion without having to write all kinds of supporting applications, wish scripting, or trying to incorporate cocoajava. It really become a mess on 10.3 and earlier.

With Installer.app 2.0, Apple finally introduced ways to add in the little custom UI panels for making installation choices, serial number verification, and those kinds of things which are really desirable in some situations to have at install time.

For people who are supporting only 10.4 and higher, really Apple installer is the way to go Smile

For those of us that need to support 10.3 and earlier the situation is a lot more muddled Confused

ed

/why couldn't Apple deliver Installer.app 2.0 for 10.3?!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
Samwise
Captain Naiobi


Joined: Apr 25, 2006
Posts: 2315
Location: Montpellier, France

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I really needed to rant about this. The installer wasn't bad, but I wish it had another name ...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
OPENSTEP
The One
The One


Joined: May 25, 2003
Posts: 4752
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I'm totally with you. I'm just playing devil's advocate Smile

Really, everyone should go with Apple's Installer.app unless there's a reason not to, especially as they got rid of their licensing fees Wink (IIRC there were licensing fees for the OS 9 Apple installer...if I'm wrong please correct me)

ed
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website AIM Address
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    NeoOffice Forum Index -> Ranting All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner. The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © Planamesa Inc.
NeoOffice is a registered trademark of Planamesa Inc. and may not be used without permission.
PHP-Nuke Copyright © 2005 by Francisco Burzi. This is free software, and you may redistribute it under the GPL. PHP-Nuke comes with absolutely no warranty, for details, see the license.
Page Generation: 0.03 Seconds