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yoxi
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:16 am    Post subject: Hahahahaha Adobe hahahahah... Reply with quote

I was just checking in the /Library/Receipts folder for items I could safely ditch, and came across the Receipt package for Adobe Reader v9, which weighs in at 41Mb - the next biggest item is a Qucktime update, and that only comes in at 5.4Mb. What on earth are Adobe doing with all that package data anyway? Not that 41Mb is a lot of spaceon a 120Gb drive, but still...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Hahahahaha Adobe hahahahah... Reply with quote

yoxi wrote:
What on earth are Adobe doing with all that package data anyway? Not that 41Mb is a lot of spaceon a 120Gb drive, but still...

Installing the 50K of 4B files that make up Adobe WorldControl.app Razz

And then they'll do it again when you install Adobe Reader 9.0.1, and there's another 41MB gone.... Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This gets more hilarious - by an interesting coincidence, the size of the AR9 Receipt is exactly the same size as the AR9 installer pkg. So they're basically copying the installer pkg as the Receipt of itself. I suppose I should just be thankful that CS4 doesn't do the same, or that'd be another Gb gone...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm interested to know why anyone in their right mind would download Adobe Reader for OS X when Preview does such a good job of displaying PDFs. Adobe Reader is the very epitome of bloat-ware. It is a truly awful piece of software engineering.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always liked Abobe Reader on my intel mac but then I installed in on my old G4 iBook and it's soooooo slow at scrolling... I tried Preview and it's so much faster!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djpimley wrote:
I'm interested to know why anyone in their right mind would download Adobe Reader for OS X when Preview does such a good job of displaying PDFs. Adobe Reader is the very epitome of bloat-ware. It is a truly awful piece of software engineering.


In my case it's because higher ups in the church send me pdf forms and files that Preview can't handle. I use Preview whenever I can, and put up with Adobe Reader when I have to.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's quite simply that Preview has a lack of any useful %ge zoom control, and without that I'm almost always looking at pages that are either too small to read, or way too big and needing lots of scrolling. AR may be a lot fatter, but visually it's a much easier app in which to actually read PDF docs, which is the whole point Smile.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

djpimley wrote:
I'm interested to know why anyone in their right mind would download Adobe Reader for OS X when Preview does such a good job of displaying PDFs.


Except that Preview does an awful job of displaying table borders unless you zoom in; thin black borders often look like fuzzy gray borders…
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the way the Adobe organises its 'detect and repair' feature? Just copy the original installer somewhere as a backup..

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yoxi wrote:
For me it's quite simply that Preview has a lack of any useful %ge zoom control

You know you can ctrl-click on the toolbar, choose Customize... and add a percentage box for scale? Seems adequate to me, so long as you know it's there. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, that's just plain embarrassing... but I still find the pages-side-by-side feature of AR more friendly Smile.

Thanks for pointing out the customise features - I've added some others there too now.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a reluctant user of AR, but there are sometimes things that can't easily be read in Preview. I'm intrigued by the pages side by side comment. Is it just the AR offers you a simple toolbar button option for this as opposed to Preview's View::PDF Display submenu, or is there more in AR that I have missed?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it's just that I never noticed that option in Preview before (sigh...)

I can't quite put my finger on it, but even with that, I still find AR easier to read PDFs with. Oh, and AR has the 'Export all as text' option - now tell me Preview does that too Smile.

- padmavyuha

*edit* ...and of course, now Preview does this too - cmd-a and then cmd-c and drop it into a text file or wherever. I suppose that the last time I actually checked what Preview was capable of was somewhere around Panther - things have changed! Now the only thing keeping me in AR is the soothing black background.

*edit edit* ...and now you can change Preview's background colour too. Over and out...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the window background colour is settable in Preferences in Preview. The thing that I would like to do in Preview that I can't is see all the buttons I have set up in my tool bar whatever page size I'm viewing in. This would involve a separable toolbar or palette.
[Cross posted with *edit edit* Smile]
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*ribbit ribbit*

...er, sorry... the only thing really left about Preview that I don't like is its failure to actually go to full screen when you maximise it. AR does that fine, of course. For quick and dirty, I was using PDFView for a while, but it got discontinued so I'm using Skim these days, which remembers window size settings and all that malarky, and has note-taking capability, not that I've ever used it.

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