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XML support in v3
 
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yoxi
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been moved (and 'globalised') into the Preferences. Go to Tools::Options::NeoOffice Calc::Calculate and you'll see a dropdown list at the bottom of the dialogue called Formula Syntax, which offers the options of Calc A1/Excel A1/Excel R1C1. I hope that's what you're looking for.

- padmavyuha
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Carl
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Calc R1C1 format problem Reply with quote

yoxi:

Your hopes are fulfilled. I re-installed 3.0, went where you said, and set option to "Excel R1C1" (although I don't really get why it's called "Excel," since this was an option for Calc 2.5, too). The good news is that this setting is global, meaning it's persistent so I don't have to keep setting it every time: NeoOffice 1, Excel 0.

Many thanks!

Carl

PS I did search for this several ways, including release notes and Help, but found nothing except one thread that skirted the issue and did not provide your key information.
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yoxi
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome - this is more a case of Serendipity 1, Help 0: it just so happens that I spotted this dropdown a few days ago when I was looking for something else in the Calc prefs.

Since I discovered that OpenOffice 3.xx broke the Excel XML import/export that worked so well in v2.xx, I've become hyper-aware of formula formats Smile. Incidentally, I posted a bug over at Issuezilla about that, but there's been no useful response so far to what is, I think, a very significant and unnecessary mess-up of something that was working fine before.

- padmavyuha

*update* I have posted the missing Help reference as a bug at OpenOffice QA - it's still missing in OpenOffice v3.1 builds.
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yoxi
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahahahahahah - hilarious - I posted this bug in QA but inadvertently used the Word NeoOffice when describing the prefs location - and even though it was quite clear that I had confirmed this bug in OpenOffice too, they dumped the bug. I had to go in again and make it unambiguous that this happens in their official build. Sigh...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, but, I thought they made perfect software! ROFL (and kicking)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yoxi wrote:
Hahahahahahah - hilarious - I posted this bug in QA but inadvertently used the Word NeoOffice when describing the prefs location - and even though it was quite clear that I had confirmed this bug in OpenOffice too, they dumped the bug. I had to go in again and make it unambiguous that this happens in their official build. Sigh...

It's ironic; I was just today talking with people about problems with OOo politics and why I don't bother reporting bugs there any more (in reference to them shipping the corrupt fonts that cause Gecko-based apps to crash), and lo and behold, if I needed additional proof to show people, yoxi posts his experience with this bug! Razz

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yoxi
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This gets surreal. They reclosed the bug saying it's a NeoOffice issue. I checked my various versions of OpenOffice this morning before replying to that, and - the dropdown that I could swear was there yesterday is no longer there. Embarrassing. I must assume that this is part of the Novell oo-build code.

OpenOffice v3 itself doesn't appear to have the R1C1 option in it any more, which I guess is why Novell have come up with their own implementation. I wonder if this is part of a wider policy decision they've made to exclude R1C1, which is why their XML export/import is messed up too (since the reason why it's not working any more is that it's using ODFF [.a1] bracket schema instead of the R1C1 that Excel requires).

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yoxi
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, more embarrassment. The Format::Sheet::Use R1C1 option from OpenOffice v2.xx is from the oo-build code, and is not part of the official OpenOffice build in the first place. I forgot that Carl above was upgrading from NeoOffice v2.xx (which contained the earlier oo-build code).

Meanwhile, the problems I was having with XML docs failing to import/export properly between Excel 04 and NeoOffice v3 have been resolved, presumably in OpenOffice v3.0.1. If ODF 1.2 is used rather than 1.0/1.1 (see Tools::Options::Load/Save::General) then a Table error is thrown up by MS Excel when importing the XML docs, but they still seem to be imported correctly.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: Calc R1C1 format problem Reply with quote

Carl wrote:
and set option to "Excel R1C1" (although I don't really get why it's called "Excel," since this was an option for Calc 2.5, too). The good news is that this setting is global, meaning it's persistent so I don't.

Just for historical curiosity, "in the beginning" R1C1 was Excel's default cell description/reference, and it was/is used behind the scenes for all cell references (formulas, calculations, VBA, etc.), but they used the other convention (A1) to match with Lotus 1-2-3 conventions, when they were fighting head-to-head. Now everyone assumes that the A1 reference system is Excel's standard, but it never has been (under the covers).
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