some.... one. has registered neowiki .net, .com and.org
the plan all along was to move the wiki to this 'real' URL so that it would look better... (sixthcrusade does not exactly sound like a mac software site)
so now i need suggestions for a site name.
neodocs?
neoofficewiki?
theOneWiki (maybe too obscure)
gothisurlcuzsomediphasmine
you may want to hold of a bit to work on it though until we figure out this ?? thing. the french wikipedia seems to be just fine on my machine, so i am not sure what they have done that i have not.
maybe it should be installed as latin? (first installation too was unicode, but switched to latin via php edit...)
you may want to hold of a bit to work on it though until we figure out this ?? thing. the french wikipedia seems to be just fine on my machine, so i am not sure what they have done that i have not.
maybe it should be installed as latin? (first installation too was unicode, but switched to latin via php edit...)
Jake, how are you "uploading" it to sixthcrusade? Is it possible that your FTP client is not UTF-8 aware and is corrupting the accents in the skin (since everything else is in the db and is OK/UTF-? Or are you just unpacking the whole thing on the server?
As for names, why not ask Ed to so some magic like with Bugzilla and do wiki.neooffice.org? Or were you going to do subdomains, en.neoofficewiki.org, fr.neoofficewiki.org, etc. wiki.neooffice.org is certainly a bit easier to say/type....
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
That's probably what you need to know for interwiki linking; there's even a section towards the bottom that talks about whether you want languages or other stuff....
Also, when I add a link on a page, e.g. on Main Page add a link [[fr:Accueil]], it removes Main Page from the list of pages that don't link to their counterpart in the French language. So NeoWikiEN, as set up, thinks fr:Accueil is the French equiv of Main Page. (It doesn't show up in the sidebar, though; I guess that needs some Admin love to enable.)
I moved Val1984's *original* translation (the one that began as Main_PageFR and was abandoned when neowikifr came online) to Fr:Accueil and the link is now valid.
So if all else fails, we could keep everything in one database/wiki--and thus share templates, userlists, images, categories, and a working UTF-8 implementation!--and probably do the language redirects with some apache/php/rewrite foo. But, the UI would remain in English.
I'm not advocating that necessarily, just mentioning it as an option if grander plans fail.
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
i upload everything via Fetch... does Fetch not like french accents?
I'll see about doing an unzip from the server though (you guys are determined to get me to remember all my Unix aren't you?)
as for the site, i had hoped to do en.wiki.., fr.wiki.., etc for the URL. the /en, and /fr are fine though, i'll talk with ed and see what he thinks (and how much beer a neooffice.org addy will cost )
as for the redirect, the more i think about it, the more i think we shouldn't use one, rather just the main site like the wikipedia. The reason for that is that if there is not information on the english site, for example, there may be on the french site, and a redirect may prevent someone from changing languages (if i understand the .htaccess proccess correctly)
if we do a proper language link from the actual neo/j site (Patrick's) to the corresponding wiki (fr -> fr) i think that will be best since most people (like 90%) go to the plasemea site first (as they should)
the interwiki stuff looks easy, methinks, so i'll see about that too. it is a shame that there does not seem to be an easy way to cross link usernames and interwiki tables between the mulitple wikis. (or the image files, it would seem)
anyway, that's what i have for now.
ps. once i figure this out... what other languages are waiting to be set up?
ps. once i figure this out... what other languages are waiting to be set up?
Traditionally, I'd go for EN, FR, DE and ES. As for Italian or Chinese or Hindi, I have no idea who feels like picking up the work.
In any case, I don't think a Dutch version will be necessary. All of us understand sufficient English, French and/or German to get info from those and even then, the user base would be comparatively tiny. _________________ "What do you think of Western Civilization?"
"I think it would be a good idea!"
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
Because we pretty much all speak English all the time on trinity, and most folks don't list locations, it's hard to tell the languages of our userbase and potential volunteers.
I would start with en fr de (I'd say es like Oscar, too, but I don't know if we have anyone willing to take on the task), and if someone requests another langauge and volunteers to keep it up to date, then set it up (or if someone requests it now, go ahead and do it now).
As for Fetch, it's possible. I haven't used Fetch in ages, so I don't know the current state of things. I haven't tried to upload UTF-8 files with any FTP client, actually, but I remember in the old days when I wanted to upload a test page I had done in MacArabic, I had to fiddle with all sorts of options to keep the FTP client from scrambling the encoding....
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
as for the redirect, the more i think about it, the more i think we shouldn't use one, rather just the main site like the wikipedia. The reason for that is that if there is not information on the english site, for example, there may be on the french site, and a redirect may prevent someone from changing languages (if i understand the .htaccess proccess correctly)
We should have a template for the Main Page that provides links to the other wikis at the very top linking the the "Main Page" of the other wikis, so if someone ends up at the wrong one. (And of course on every page, we'll either have the sidebar or something at the bottom linking to the equivalent page on the other wikis....)
Smokey
Edit: already mocked up, using NeoWiki's Main Page and Fr:Accueil, not the real NeoWikiFR.... _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
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the interwiki stuff looks easy, methinks, so i'll see about that too. it is a shame that there does not seem to be an easy way to cross link usernames and interwiki tables between the mulitple wikis. (or the image files, it would seem)
Image files (well, depending on how you're using them) probably can be, because I'm pretty sure wikipedia does that to reference images in the "commons"; all a matter of the interwiki tables/namespace mapping, I guess.
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
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FWIW, I can point any "neooffice.org" subdomain to any static IP. There are unlimited ones under there.
Some asshat registered neooffice.com, but I haven't bothered to go after them under trademark cybersquatting laws. Not worth my time since it's not a spoof site...yet...
Image files (well, depending on how you're using them) probably can be, because I'm pretty sure wikipedia does that to reference images in the "commons"; all a matter of the interwiki tables/namespace mapping, I guess.
In wikipedia, images are located on a sub-domain called "images" (like en, fr...).
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? Or are you just unpacking the whole thing on the server?
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