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OPENSTEP
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:14 am    Post subject: Forum spam Reply with quote

It seems there has been an increase in the number of spam postings in the forums here by some bots (?) that are adapting to some of the standard protection techniques. In the meantime I have doubled the time interval that is required between hitting the reply button to a forum topic and until when a post will be accepted. Anonymous users will now be required to wait 10-15 seconds before their posts are accepted.

This, of course, is an ongoing battle and will always be as these "hackers" evolve to match the spam prevention measures we put in place. There are a number of potential solutions:

1) Disable anonymous posting. I really don't want to do this as anonymous posting is used by several members here, folks who are on public terminals, and random users who drop by for questions.

2) Limit anonymous posting to certain forums. Has similar drawbacks to 1.

3) Rely on human intervention to delete spam postings. This will require adding more moderators.

Thoughts?

In the meantime, if you see any spam postings that I miss (as I don't have time to carefully read through all of the forums) PM them to me and I'll delete them post haste.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same reservations about 1 and 2; people don't want to register just to ask why something doesn't mount/launch/work right. It's unfortunate enough that they're having a problem, but having to register, even something as simple as a forum registration, to get help is a turn-off for lots of folks.

If the additional delay doesn't work and you decide to go with option 3, I'm willing to lend a hand.

Smokey

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Smokey on this one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ovvldc wrote:
I'm with Smokey on this one.


Ditto.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, thus far the increase in the anonymous posting delay time doesn't seem to be an issue for anyone since I've still seen guest postings crop up here since I enacted the revision. For now we'll go with that and (3) since we have a couple volunteers Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, FWIW, trinity is showing up more and more in my random google searches. Either google is creepy and recognizes my vocabulary from my posts here or, I suspect, we may be becoming more of a target for googlebombs due to pagerank smoking dope.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPENSTEP wrote:
Also, FWIW, trinity is showing up more and more in my random google searches. Either google is creepy and recognizes my vocabulary from my posts here or, I suspect, we may be becoming more of a target for googlebombs due to pagerank smoking dope.

ed


Ed, there's still a lot of linkspam crap in old, old trinity stories. I think you closed comments on them but maybe didn't actually delete the spam comments. It's a tedious task, I'm sure, because at least for normal users there's no way of getting a full list of stories, so you have to go month-by-month in each topic (/J /C GNU etc.) and each language to cover all the posts.

Further, I just posted this in your thread about searching in Neo/J Support, but Google is indexing the "quote" reply pages and the "topic review" pages that go with a reply; I don't know if there's any way you can tweak the PHP to put noindex stuff on just those kinds of pages....

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, as to the quote reply indexing, I may be able to add in a "noreply" meta tag to those pages generated by the php. Google recommended that practice, but my customized phpbb isn't following it. It's on my todo list.

I haven't removed old comment spam from b4 i restricted article posting to registered users. It's only the forums that are still open to anon users. If you really want it deleted, just PM it to me (or post it, not recommended since it could result in the reindexing of a googlebomb). I'm much more vigilant on the forums then the stories since the forums are where the meaningful content is Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPENSTEP wrote:
If you really want it deleted, just PM it to me (or post it, not recommended since it could result in the reindexing of a googlebomb).


When I get bored I'll sit down and come up with a list of the stories with the stuff in it.

One more off-topic post: regarding making the Neo/C forums read-only, you should be able to go into the phpBB Admin panel (I assume that still exists in the nuke-integrated version?), select "Permissions" from the "Forum Admin" section, and for each of the three fora in turn, 1) "Look Up Forum" 2) "Advanced Mode" 3) set "Post" and "Reply" to "Admin" and 4) "Submit" Then only you can post there Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schizer, i hadn't thought of that. instead, i just locked the entire forums. makes perfect sense as the only reason i'm leaving them online is for historical reference. already i've had to search back through them myself to refresh myself on what i did with salsound Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you feel like closing forums to anonymous posting, I suggest closing the Development forums first, since few non-members have any business there. If a 'you cannot post here' can be customized to say that (1) you must be registered and (2) support questions should go in support, that would be even better.

But I am perfectly willing and fairly able to aid in moderating the forums Smile.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I think I'll still leave everything anonymous poster enabled until there's a need not to. I really think it's much better, personally. It's one of the reasons I didn't want to do this stuff on a mailing list...it's a bit more accessible, esp. to anonymous or "one time" posters (as a mailing list requires you to monitor replies and winds up giving your e-mail address out to harvesting bots)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new one Sad
http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1623
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And another Sad
http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=10693#10693

Edit: Gah, what a way to waste my 1200th post Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI. I usually delete any spam postings that I run into so if you are wondering where they go, I am deleting them.

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