Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:06 am Post subject: Re: Macupdate's listing still says NeoOffice/J
yoxi wrote:
The current new MacUpdate listing says:
NeoOffice/J 1.2a - OpenOffice w/o X11 dependencies
Actually, Smokey alreayd noted that, so I suppose he is on it. Apparently, they gave similar grief in the past. _________________ "What do you think of Western Civilization?"
"I think it would be a good idea!"
- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
Well, I noted it right before I got offline and went to bed, so I'm not "on it" per se. It'll take an email from me or Patrick to get it straightened out, I'm sure...(I hate dealing with MU...for all VT's shortcomings, they're very responsive to developers/update-pushers).
Note that all the other places I changed /J not, it was fine--just not the product name
I suppose anyone can feel free to bug them, though...I won't get to it until this weekend.
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:39 am Post subject:
Well, there are always going to be some legacy things that have /J in them that won't be able to be changed for a while. I still need to tag some other things here (Other Websites block on the left, the category in the news articles). We'll just catch as catch can
I still need to tag some other things here (Other Websites block on the left, the category in the news articles). We'll just catch as catch can
And NeoOffice.org
When I'm back I'll start a run-down of things. All the places that have listings we don't update ourselves (see the wiki) will probably need to be notified, and so forth.
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject:
http://www.macintouch.com/ Friday, November 25, 2005 10:00 EST has an announcment about NeoOffice (with /J).
I sent them an email that the /J has been dropped. News everywhere!
Philip (All I want for Christmas is ... NeoOffice 2.0?!? grin )
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject:
LemonAid wrote:
(All I want for Christmas is ... NeoOffice 2.0?!? grin )
Christmas 2006?
In all seriousness, it's gonna take a while, so be patient. It'd be different if there was enough funding to have a full time staff...but there's not enough.
Therein really lies the biggest "myth" about open source. While it's fun to portray it as a bunch of swashbuckling pirates taking to the great seas of permanant assurance, in reality the most visible (and, arguably, successful) open source projects really have large corporate sponsors (or, depending on the orientaion of your tin foil hat, "corporate fronts"). For example, in terms of founding members:
OpenOffice.org = StarOffice = Sun Microsystems
Linux = IBM + Red Hat + (many other contributors)
Mozilla = AOL
Dive deeper into most big OSS projects and you'll find a company in there with deep pockets.
It's arguable in my opinion since the most popular open source projects are those that may not be exactly "legal"...DeCSS has to be more widely deployed than Linux and nas no direct corporate sponsor that I know of.
Neo has no corporate sponsor. It has evolved from some generous donations from folks and a heapload of time from Patrick and everyone you see on these forums and the folks you don't see donating translated web pages, bandwidth, and what have you.
Long story short, as resources lack, we can't do anything by xmas time...hopefully by next year though, unless something unexpected happens like I find a girlfriend
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:51 am Post subject:
Ed,
Sorry, I was making a bit of a joke. (and Darn, now my (silly) wish won't come true, this year.)
I "think" I understand how really big this project is (I have 30+ years of software development and support). I don't have the depth of code experience that you, Patrick, Dan, and many others here have but I'm trying to assist in my humble way.
After reading most posts here and hours of reading posts on dev@OOo I agree with your stated reasons for continuing NeoOffice development. Seems to me that if the people with the MOST Direct experience in this code development say that some path is not easy, Others "should" listen.
I even followed Eric's suggest and read the Apple Human Interface Guidelines. Suggests prototypes and Listening to the end users. Just what has been done on the NeoOffice project.
I understand about the lack of resources (deal with it daily at work). I'm sad/unhappy/even-mad the the OOo Mac port "pre"-announcment has reduced your funding. I'm amazed with the efforts so far and am looking for ways to raise/donate more. Maybe that should be my wish?? Three-to-six months project funding.
Philip (wishing for a new Funding year?!? )
p.s. Girlfriends a great, hope you find one! My wife won't let me have them anymore.
http://www.macintouch.com/ Friday, November 25, 2005 10:00 EST has an announcment about NeoOffice (with /J).
I sent them an email that the /J has been dropped. News everywhere!
I saw that just before I went offline yesterday and sent them a note, too, but apparently to no effect
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject:
MacIntouch.com sent me an email 11-26-05 that it had been corrected. Good new for all the News/PR articles about NeoOffice. Mac Users everywhere seem to REALLY like NeoOffice interface on the Mac. (yes, I skipped the whiners complaints). GO NEO!
Philip ( have . to . stop watching all those Matrix re-runs )
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:11 am Post subject: NeoOffice 1.2 Alpha announment on insanely-great.com
http://insanely-great.com/news.php?id=5502 11-28-05 has an announcment on NeoOffice (with /J).
I added a post that the /J has been dropped and tried to explain why NeoOffice does not have full Mac Aqua interface. Is it just me or do (too many) people complain about a FREE version of OOo running the the Mac without (ugly) X11?!? Did I mention it was ... FREE?
Philip (Looking for NeoOffice in all the Mac Places)
We Mac users really are GUI snobs It all depends on your degree of pragmatism, I guess, and where you lie on the features vs. cost vs. ease-of-use vs. appearance spectrum(?), I suppose. But IMO Neo has really found the sweet spot, which is why I'm here
Thanks, Philip, for taking on some of these /J laggards If you've got a few cycles to spare for this sort of thing now-and-again, check out NeoOffice Advocacy in the wiki
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:45 am Post subject:
Smokey,
'tis true that Mac Users are GUI snobs. That's why we bought Macs! IMHO I agree that Neo has found the sweet spot. I want the Mac GUI and access to a good Office Suite with wide support. I work in Document Management group at work and can't express the daily pains Word causes my boss. Most users don't need every bell and whisle to do their work. Programers want to use the newest tool/trick. Done both.
In the long run the (text) data is the most important asset
sardisson wrote:
We Mac users really are GUI snobs It all depends on your degree of pragmatism, I guess, and where you lie on the features vs. cost vs. ease-of-use vs. appearance spectrum(?), I suppose. But IMO Neo has really found the sweet spot, which is why I'm here
Thanks for the offer. I've started reading the Advocacy section and Wiki. I looked at signing up for the Wiki and the link to request an account is TBD (To Be Done later...). And the Marketing Forum post seems to have been last updated May 2005?
Please consider adding me to the Marketing group and I will try to catch up. I believe that volunteers should apprentice and prove their value. Just like Ed suggests for Open Source coders. (Gee, Wonder Man, will this help me become Rich and Famous? Find a Girlfriend?? At least let me be a legend in my own mind )
I have been trying to help with user testing, bug reporting/testing, Forum comments and marketing Neo to the Mac World. Based on what I saw on the Advocacy Wiki I have a lot more to catch upon. Working on it...
Thanks, Philip, for taking on some of these /J laggards If you've got a few cycles to spare for this sort of thing now-and-again, check out NeoOffice Advocacy in the wiki
Smokey
Philip (Must-stop-typing-it's-late/early AND where the heck is GMT + 10 hours?!? )
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