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11010010
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: ship-design Reply with quote

hello.

i am a graphic-designer from germany, working freelance since 5 years in various on- and offline-project. i use neooffice quite a bit everytime i open documents i recieve from clients. all fine and works like a charm, just one thing bugs me: the style of the ship which comes with the logo.

to take part a bit in the development of open-office, i thought maybe i could design you guys a new logo-ship and font-combination that you may use for every neooffice-related stuff.

once the logo is done, it will be all yours, with vectors and all. i am not a programmer so i cannot contribute in the programming. but maybe while designing i could help out.

oh and this is just a thought. you can always say: nay! not that! or nay, our ship is nice as it is.. that's also ok! Smile

well, just tell me what you guys think
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Samwise
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every now and then, we get a post about the ship icon, and how it looks "unprofessional", or whatever. It's nice that you offer to help though.

However, many people here got attached to the ship icon. There will always be people who dislike it, but the icon is not our first priority (we're focused on toolbar icons right now).
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pluby
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have no plans to stop using the ship. The ship is the NeoOffice.org logo and has been since Ed created NeoOffice.org back in 2001 (has it really been that long?).

Patrick
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11010010
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hu.. i didn't want to get rid of the ship. just take it to some dock and repaint it. (in a way).. but i realized already that there are some identification problems with the team which i understand and accept.

i will have a look into the other icons, though it seems quite a hulky task. well, gotta get into it. Neutral
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LemonAid
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your kind offer 11010010
I hope you are not offended by the love and history of our happy ... little ship. Very Happy

pluby wrote:
We have no plans to stop using the ship. The ship is the NeoOffice.org logo and has been since Ed created NeoOffice.org back in 2001 (has it really been that long?).

Patrick

Welcome to Our Ship of Fools. Laughing (even the wood cut is the right time period)
Here is a thread that has a lot of background, and history, about the NeoOffice Ship Logo.

Philip ( Pirates say ... Arrrrgh? Cool )
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jakeOSX
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know... we really should make a wiki page on the ship, some icon history.

=) hell, if i can find it i'll even post the bad icon i started years ago.

-j
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OPENSTEP
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, the present icon is actually an award-winning design from Mac|Life (a.k.a MacAddict) as one of the coolest Mac icons ever.

Based on that and history I'm very very reluctant to change.

The ship is oddly proportioned as that's the way it was in the original woodcut map from which I extracted the image. Don't have the link offhand as the old SID viewer doesn't work on OS X, but IIRC there's a JPEG2000 link I posted to the full map earlier.

The map was old enough to be public domain, I thought the ship was cool (e.g. exploring a "new world" for native office suites on OS X), and it's stuck, so it's here to stay. I'm pretty certain the original cartographer is no longer alive so won't be too receptive to complaints about proportions or perspective in his work Smile

ed
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sardisson
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPENSTEP wrote:
I'm pretty certain the original cartographer is no longer alive so won't be too receptive to complaints about proportions or perspective in his work Smile

He died about 500 years ago, so I expect not.

The last time this came up in a major way, I started collecting relevant posts on the history and working up a page about them. I need to find some time to sit down and finish it and post it....

Smokey

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Uzine
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Ship icon should stand out more clearly in Mac OS X Dock Reply with quote

In its own right, the ship is fine, and "de gustibus non disputamur", but pragmatically, I think the ship icon should stand out more clearly in Mac OS X Dock. I'm always confused with other software because it's so vague on one square cm.
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MacRat
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: Ship icon should stand out more clearly in Mac OS X Dock Reply with quote

Uzine wrote:
In its own right, the ship is fine, and "de gustibus non disputamur", but pragmatically, I think the ship icon should stand out more clearly in Mac OS X Dock. I'm always confused with other software because it's so vague on one square cm.


Wow. Vague?

You must get really confused between iSync and Safari.

They're both round.

ROFL (and kicking)
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Uzine
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Work until it works Reply with quote

In my experience any good copywriter or graphic designer will always be able to provide a text or logo that's even better than the previous one. Just my two cents : the logo isn't bad, but it could be better when viewed on one square centimeter or less.
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tknp
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, let me say I am a switcher. I use Mac Intel for 2 months after 10 years of Windows. I made the switch smoothless but when I try to find an Office Application for Mac Intel it wasn't easy, until I found NeoOffice by chance.

I am really very impressed with your NeoOffice 2.0 Aqua Beta3, so impressed that I am going to buy a Early Access Program for ver. 2.1, but honestly the first time I started working with it was in a let's try this, base.
When I saw the NeoOffice Logo I thought it was one more of those programs to give you more problems than efficiency.
The Logo is not very credible nor professional neither appellative. It's a psychological process. Maybe the colors are too dark or something... or reclaims for an upgrade.. Wink
Those where my firsts filings, and I'm posting this only to help you to make a judgment, based on what some people can feel about 'the face' of NeoO.

tknp
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LemonAid
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to NeoOffice tknp,

Thank you for your comments and insight. We do appreciate you taking the time to help us understand how the Ship logo appears to you.

I can't say that this will cause a change in the logo, but it's good information to have. Maybe if NeoOffice becomes so popular that this would be something to consider. Smile

We are glad you found NeoOffice and hope that you find it a valuable addition to your Mac. It's not "perfect", but it's the best Office Suite I have found for my uses. It keeps getting better all the time.

Philip ( Using the right tool for the job makes life ... easier Wink )
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AC
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel I also have to say a few words about the logo. I fully understand the sentimental value of the logo for you guys, but I have remark that it doesn't convey the right message at all. The Macintosh experience are about sleek, professional elegance and the program logos shall reflect that, in my opinion. The ship logo, I'm sorry to say, looks unprofessional and amateurishly nerdy.. a hobbyist project that shouldn't be taken seriously (that is not my opinion of NeoOffice, I'm merely talking about the message you're sending). And why a ship to represent an office suit??
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pluby
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We use the ship for more than just "sentimental" reasons. We keep it because it has one Mac|Life (née MacAddict).

I understand if you don't think it is cool or well designed, but after winning a very competitive award, tossing it out seems silly.

As for the "it doesn't seem professional like Microsoft Office", well that is not our intent. Our intent has never been to act and look like a big, well-funded coporation as the reality is that we are still a tiny group of people working with meager funds to fill a need that Microsoft and Apple have chosen not to serve. We don't want people to forget that we are tiny in comparison to the giants that dominate people's choices of office suites.

Patrick
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