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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:12 am    Post subject: Apple - Sun Deal? Reply with quote

Apple - Sun Deal?

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=75fa31c84cd03b49a1935a163b5f6a46&t=75182&page=2

Maybe I was shooting too low on the Apple - Neo deal thread before

http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4396
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest-Dude,

Apple also bought Nintendo and TiVo and a couple of other high profile companies in the last years (not).

Why would Apple be interested in Sun? Certainly not because of OpenOffice.org (which, as a reminder, is LGPL, so they could just take the source code)? They have their own office suite (iWork, ever heard of?) which integrates into iLife and Mac OS X in a way like OpenOffice.org/Neo will never be able to. Additionally: Apple certainly doesn't want to piss off the folks at Microsoft, wo still produce the most used office suite on the Mac (and which is not that bad, which even The Powers To Be at this place here acknowledge).

Finally, this post belongs into (very) Random Whatnot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for moving to the proper forum.

If you read the links, I interpret this as a good fit for Apple to get into the "enterprise"(?) market. I think it meams Apple's chance to get taken seriously in the big business server market. Makes sense to me... may be why it doesn't happpen then... It would also mean the combined companies Apple, Sun (and possibly Google or (ASG) alliance would now rival the behemouth M$. Steve's "Final Revenge", for billy stealing from him all these years and laughing at him as a bit player market-share wise, if you will... And also the new file system that will replace HFS+ and possibly kernel (Mach vs. Solaris?)...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the irony! Anyone else remember this rumor?:

http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/swol-03-1996/swol-03-apple.results.html

Almost as funny to me as the news that Apple was going to shift to SPARC processors Smile

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-6026637-7.html

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 years is a long time...

And isn't Sun under new management with a more Mac-friendly person?...

The English Colonies in pre-USA didn't necessarily like each other but they knew what they wanted/had to do because NONE of them liked the King...
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's that ZFS file system:

http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2006/12/17/zfs-file-system-makes-it-to-mac-os-x-leopard/
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And some Real Player movies on ZFS:

http://www.sun.com/software/media/real/zfs_learningcenter/high_bandwidth.html
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's segment 7 on Snapshots = Apple Time Machine? and Cloning, Data Migration and Data Security

http://www.sun.com/software/media/real/zfs_learningcenter/06D00555_15_100.rm

RealOne Player required file
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Guest-Dude,

Apple also bought Nintendo and TiVo and a couple of other high profile companies in the last years (not).

Finally, this post belongs into (very) Random Whatnot.


if apple bought nintendo i would cry. thesteve would turn the ds into a 400$ piece of luxury hardware, and it would fail.

and they would cancel the games division because there can't be good games for the mac Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, that's the end of all speculation then, I think:

Information Week wrote:
Apple Says No Sun File System For Leopard

Despite claims by Sun's CEO, the 128-bit ZFS that appears in Solaris will not be spotted in Mac OS X.

An Apple official on Monday said Sun Microsystems' open-source file system would not be in the next version of the Mac operating system, contradicting statements made last week by Sun's chief executive.

During an interview with InformationWeek, Brian Croll, senior director of product marketing for the Mac OS, said, "ZFS is not happening," when asked whether Sun's Zettabyte File System would be in Leopard. Instead, Leopard would use Apple's current hierarchical file system, called HFS+. The Apple file system was first introduced in 1998 in Mac OS 8.0.

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Croll declined to comment on statements made last week by Sun Chief Executive Jonathan Schwartz, who said the use of ZFS would be announced at the Apple Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco. Croll upon further questioning would only confirm that Apple had never said ZFS would be a part of Leopard.

A representative with Sun did not have any immediate comment.


Source: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199903281
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps Jonathan Schwartz did intend to send beer, but ended up drinking it all ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

or sending it to steve to apologize for someone saying something they probably shouldn't have...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a look at Sun's stock price the other day, and now I understand why Sun keeps making these false/vapourware announcements Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BINGO!! Exclamation

Also keep in mind that the original sound bite came from Schwartz trying to answer a reporter's question asking how open source benefits Sun. Out comes an "example" based on some Apple employees participating in the ZFS project but stated as if it were a major roadmap for Apple.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And also, really after journaling was added to HFS+ it really is enough for the majority of uses. Apple had an alternative Unix file system UFS (is that its acronym?) back from the NeXT days IIRC but never made it the default.

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