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oihenart
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Hello,
That seems good news. Here in Geneva, Switzerland, we won't have Microsoft Office on our Macs and PCs in schools next year. It will be replaced by OpenOffice on PC and NeOffice on Mac. But teachers of mathematic on PC can read their .doc file which contains equations done with MathType and they can even use MathType with OpenOffice. None is possible at this time on Mac. And it is considered to be a serious problem.
So any improvement is a good news and i will be happy to make some tests if you can make some progress.
Thanks again for your work.
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pluby
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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FYI. I have posted a new test patch in bug 2661.
This test patch fixes the remaining text layout issues that I had missed in my last test patch. Please try out this test patch and if you find incorrectly displayed text or symbols, please attach a sample document for in bug 2661 and add yourself to that bug's CC: list.
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pluby
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, the last test patch caused some regressions in the text rendering of MathType objects created on Windows so I have posted another test patch at the end of bug 2663.
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pluby
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Has anyone noticed any problems with the latest test patch? If you have been using the most recent test patches posted in the last week, let me know if you have encountered any problems rendering MathType embedded objects in your document.
If I don't hear anything horribly wrong with my latest changes, I'll release Patch 1 this Wednesday.
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DelfosseA
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: MathType embedded objects |
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I tried from test9 to test13 patch0. Great progress  !
Still problems with superscripts (vector symbols) .
To show an example: this linked original file saved by Word for Mac Office 2004, containing sample expressions inserted with MathType 5.1, look like this in Office 2004.
The same file opened in NeoOffice 2.2.2 with patch0 test13 looks like this.
I hope this may help you.
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pluby
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: MathType embedded objects |
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DelfosseA,
I have fixed the rendering problems in your document and a test patch with the fix is listed at the end of bug 2661. Important note: you will need to install Design Science's various Euclid and MT Extra fonts for the fix to fully work as your MathType objects require those specific fonts.
BTW, I attached your .doc file in bug 2661 so that we will be able to use it as a test case in the future. If that is a problem, let us know and I will remove it.
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pluby
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FYI. To get the MathType Euclid and MT Extra fonts, download the MathType evaluation version from here. Note that you may need to open Font Book and add the fonts in your /Applications/MathType 5/Fonts/TrueType folder using the /Application/Font Book application.
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PavelS
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| Quote: | | First, MathType and its junior version are much more popular than TeX. We have informally polled scientific journals and MS Word submissions that use MathType or Equation Editor for their equations are over 80% with TeX being the majority of the remaining 20%. |
Interesting. In my subfield of computer science (NLP) major conferences only accept papers in LaTeX and the rest strongly prefer it. The same goes with many publishers, e.g. Springer. Among the few statisticians and mathematicians I know from other departments, most use plain (AMS)TeX, the rest use LaTeX. So the above numbers really surprise me. I guess it must vary by country (not so in CS, though) or subfield. |
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PaulTopping
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| Quote: | | In my subfield of computer science (NLP) major conferences only accept papers in LaTeX and the rest strongly prefer it. The same goes with many publishers, e.g. Springer. |
Sorry, but I just checked a few ACM requirements and find this not to be the case. ACM 2008 accepts submissions only in PDF form and they don't require the source to be LaTeX. Obviously, that PDF can be generated a number of ways. I also checked OOPSLA and they even offer MS Word templates for use. Admittedly, this is US-centric. I'm sure that smaller conferences exist that can only deal with LaTeX.
Even what you say about Springer is not true. According to the page linked here, they also supply Word templates for journal articles: http://www.springer.com/authors/journal+contributors?SGWID=0-154202-12-417699-0. Of course they don't state the percentages of each kind of submission.
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ovvldc
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I am in energy/climate research and most journals say Word files. Elsevier Science publications tend toward Word or LaTEX, I think. A few will accept PDF.
Best wishes,
Oscar
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PavelS
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OK, let me elaborate:
- Springer: as far as I understand, for books the choice is author's.
For Journals, it depend on the journal, some, like JLR, accept almost anything: txt, Powerpoint, LaTeX, WordPerfect,... http://www.editorialmanager.com/chum/
In the series it depends on the volume editors. I have only published in Text, Speach and Dialog in Lecture Notes on Artificial Intelligence (LNAI) and it had to be LaTeX for that particular conference. They accept Word only with some fee and convert it into LaTeX themselves.
The LNCS page (http://www.springer.com/computer/lncs?SGWID=0-164-2-72376-0) explicitly says: | Quote: | | We do not encourage the use of Microsoft Word, particularly as the layout of the pages (the position of figures and paragraphs) can change between printouts. |
- ACM: I don't publish in their publications, so I can't say.
- other conferences: I was wrong, thanks for pointing out. In our field (computational linguistics, NLP) the largest and arguably most important conferences are ACL, CoLing, and InterSpeech. Mostly PDF output is required and styles for both LaTeX and MS Word are provided.
I have just never seen any colleague actually produce the paper in Word. I guess that's because we work on linux machines and nobody would think about using Ooo with the Word style and their idiosyncratic math typesetting.
As for mathematicians, I can't say more than I have said, but looking at the American Mathematical Society's web, American mathematicians seem to support two options: AMSTeX and LaTeX: http://www.ams.org/journals/
All I want to say is that from my experience everybody in mathematics and in computer science is fluent in TeX style of typing math, but I don't know anyone who can (or is willing to) typeset math in MS Word or OOo style. |
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ovvldc
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I do, but I don't use math much. It is just a few equations, so I don't worry. The journals tend to do the typesetting as long as you send them the text and pictures.
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OPENSTEP
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While I don't know the specifics, I think I remember reading a few years ago that there are some extensions for adding LaTeX into OOo documents. I don't know if they work with Neo or OS X.
I was a physicist years ago in college so I too have my own personal love/hate with LaTeX. At least in the late 90s folks were taking PostScript files for submissions (generally I made them from LaTeX...but occasionally I would fool them with FullWrite + MathType off of a Mac). I'd check, but I think that there may already be an OOo extension for integrating LaTeX equations into documents.
There's something similar for PowerPoint, but I think it's proprietary software based on OLE that isn't amenable to porting to OOo.
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jgd
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| OPENSTEP wrote: | While I don't know the specifics, I think I remember reading a few years ago that there are some extensions for adding LaTeX into OOo documents. I don't know if they work with Neo or OS X.
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There are two extensions which work quite well
cmath (only in French)
and
dmaths
in French, German and English (but the En version has no updated help  -no volunteers to translate.
Here, almost all the subjects of exams and revues articles are written in LaTeX.
I'm using LaTeX when I want a "good" math document, because LaTeX does the layout for me (and better than me), and the ams fonts are so beautiful!
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PavelS
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| OPENSTEP wrote: | | I'd check, but I think that there may already be an OOo extension for integrating LaTeX equations into documents. |
I believe you mean OOo LaTeX: http://ooolatex.sourceforge.net/
I don't know whether it works with Neo, but it seems much less flexible than the LaTeXiT approch.
In full LaTeX environment I can change the fonts freely (just look at some Euler math), add packages for special AMS symbols, etc. Also one can completely switch the backend to XeTeX and try all the TT or OTF fonts installed, or even Unicode symbols in math (in developement).
To use LaTeXiT comfortably, LinkBack would be required, however. And I don't know, whether it is feasible. Perhaps it is not as simple for Neo as it seems to be for more typical Cocoa apps. |
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