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The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
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LemonAid
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:37 am    Post subject: The more things change, the more they stay the same. Reply with quote

<rant>

I know that I shouldn't say anything, but I just CAN"T help myself.

I don't know, Seems to me that supporting team members is better than ... hassle them.
Maybe that's why there is a difference between Leadership vs. Management?

Philip ( LMT(N) CR Wink )
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats a hugely complicated thread, not helped by the bizzare quoting methodology used by each party.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that. Not Eric's best moment. It looked to me as if he was trying to guilt-trip Maho into keeping up the builds.

Fortunately, Maho didn't quite go for that, and other people stepped in to take the pressure off.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what the hell is 'codename neo'?

http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=mac&msgNo=5751
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.porting.mac/3463

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.devel.porting.mac/3466

If I understand this correctly (cause there are a lot of quotes so it's hard to keep track of who said what), the first "development snapshot" release was rushed while Pavel was on vacation, without his approval, and Pavel was quite surprised (shocked?) when he heard it. As for "codename Neo", maybe this :

[22:42] <mav_eric> ericb2: shaunmcdonald is right. If we don't get
out an Alpha all the hype about Sun joining us is gone and all PR is
again back to Neo folks

[22:42] <mav_eric> they make fun of us if they don't see anything -
rather sooner than later
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samwise wrote:
[22:42] <mav_eric> ericb2: shaunmcdonald is right. If we don't get
out an Alpha all the hype about Sun joining us is gone and all PR is
again back to Neo folks


OpenOffice.org doesn't need any more PR than it has already. Every small development is pushed and reported on blogs and elsewhere as if the concept of office suites has been reinvented. I would think it makes no use to further heat expectations, but this is certainly not me to decide.

In the end, if people get what they are let to believe - an OpenOffice.org for the Mac, native, stable, fast (faster than Neo), Cocoa-like; practically NeoOffice on speed - all that is necessary is to put a copy on a server. Word of mouth (and blog etc.) will make the rest. In any case.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samwise wrote:


[22:42] <mav_eric> ericb2: shaunmcdonald is right. If we don't get
out an Alpha all the hype about Sun joining us is gone and all PR is
again back to Neo folks

[22:42] <mav_eric> they make fun of us if they don't see anything -
rather sooner than later


ah isn't this the catch-22?

we don't make fun of them when they work hard and make good choices (which is most of the time...)

it is when they run a release that isn't ready for public consumption just for hype. that is the bad thing.

i think most of the openoffice.org team doesn't realize that we are some of their biggest supporters.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jakeOSX wrote:
i think most of the openoffice.org team doesn't realize that we are some of their biggest supporters.


Ed and Patrick are the greatest of them: They developed the most terrific benchmark. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read somewhere (I forget now) some quite angry comments by would-be users of "OpenOffice Aqua" that they discovered quite by accident that the build they downloaded was a "developer preview" and most things didn't work.

The callous disregard for "their" users is the thing that gets me, every time.

Smokey

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doctype wrote:
Samwise wrote:
[22:42] <mav_eric> ericb2: shaunmcdonald is right. If we don't get
out an Alpha all the hype about Sun joining us is gone and all PR is
again back to Neo folks


OpenOffice.org doesn't need any more PR than it has already. Every small development is pushed and reported on blogs and elsewhere as if the concept of office suites has been reinvented. I would think it makes no use to further heat expectations, but this is certainly not me to decide.


It makes perfect sense if you're an attention whore.

ed
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And for the record, I've already admitted I'm an ahole and am proud of it:

http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=16051#16051

Dicking over/ranting against a volunteer who's given resources and time for years? Umm...I'm no genius but I think that fits the definition. Sometimes you can actually judge a book by its cover.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jakeOSX wrote:
Samwise wrote:
[22:42] <mav_eric> ericb2: shaunmcdonald is right. If we don't get out an Alpha all the hype about Sun joining us is gone and all PR is again back to Neo folks

[22:42] <mav_eric> they make fun of us if they don't see anything - rather sooner than later

i think most of the openoffice.org team doesn't realize that we are some of their biggest supporters.
Right,
On both accounts. Crying or Very sad

Philip ( who often says: "Fix the problem, NOT the blame." Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is the problem.

one table spoon of peanut butter is like half of your daily calories. but it tastes so good...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... and crunchy is more honest, but smooth is better PR.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samwise wrote:
[22:42] <mav_eric> ericb2: shaunmcdonald is right. If we don't get out an Alpha all the hype about Sun joining us is gone and all PR is again back to Neo folks


I keep wondering where all of this PR that we supposedly get is being published. Sure, we get the occasional blog post about NeoOffice, but I just don't think that PR is what they need. My guess is that most new users find NeoOffice either by Googling for free Mac office suites or by word of mouth. In fact, I don't doubt that many people already find OOo's Mac X11 and Aqua builds the same way.

In other words, if you are looking to get the media paparazzi following you around, pursuing an Hollywood acting career would seem a better bet than developing an open source office suite. Wink

Patrick
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