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MacAodh
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 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: Better aquafication of the shortcuts |
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hi,
I love neooffice and i've been watching the progress getting better and better. The one thing that drives me nuts though is the shortcuts.
For example, most programs use command-shift-z for redo and alt-back space for whole word delete (neooffice uses command-backspace). It would be great if this was changed to the standard as default.
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yoxi
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NeoOffice can't be made to do shortcuts using the alt- key, unfortunately.
I've never used the Repeat feature before (which is the redo in NeoOffice) - it's useful! Looking in the Tools:Options:Keyboard screen, Repeat is mysteriously allocated to a non-existent key called Again - weird. I don't know what is the developers' policy on changing/setting up keyboard defaults, but it's certainly worth asking.
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pluby
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Developer policy really isn't the issue. Money is. The issue is that redesigning the menu layout is a hugely expensive task that is way outside of the budget set by our current user donation levels.
Moving all of the menus around essentially means changing vast swaths of the OpenOffice.org application code as well as having to go through the several dozen localization files and help databases and editing those.
In other words, this is probably a task that requires more than our annual donation levels so it isn't likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
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Lorinda
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Are you aware that you can change the assigned keyboard combinations for most (all?) menus? Just go to Tools>Customize>Keyboard.
It is true, however, that the alt key cannot be used; that's either a Java or an OpenOffice.org limitation. You are limited to the keys listed in the top box of the Customize Keyboard dialog.
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pluby
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Lorinda wrote: | | It is true, however, that the alt key cannot be used; that's either a Java or an OpenOffice.org limitation. You are limited to the keys listed in the top box of the Customize Keyboard dialog. |
Actually, use of the Alt key is a Mac OS X limitation. Unlike on Windows where Alt is reserved for only very special keys, Mac OS X frequently uses the Alt key for normal textual input on most keyboard layouts so registering Alt key menu shortcuts would pretty much break normal Mac OS X behavior.
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yoxi
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| pluby wrote: | Developer policy really isn't the issue. Money is. The issue is that redesigning the menu layout is a hugely expensive task that is way outside of the budget set by our current user donation levels.
Moving all of the menus around essentially means changing vast swaths of the OpenOffice.org application code as well as having to go through the several dozen localization files and help databases and editing those.
In other words, this is probably a task that requires more than our annual donation levels so it isn't likely to happen in the foreseeable future.
Patrick |
That's useful to know. Given that it took me 20 seconds to add cmd+shift+z as a shortcut for Replace, there's really no need to contemplate trying to build it into the distro if it's that complex to do it.
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sardisson
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| pluby wrote: | | Lorinda wrote: | | It is true, however, that the alt key cannot be used; that's either a Java or an OpenOffice.org limitation. You are limited to the keys listed in the top box of the Customize Keyboard dialog. |
Actually, use of the Alt key is a Mac OS X limitation. Unlike on Windows where Alt is reserved for only very special keys, Mac OS X frequently uses the Alt key for normal textual input on most keyboard layouts so registering Alt key menu shortcuts would pretty much break normal Mac OS X behavior. |
I believe that Lorinda is referring to the bug on 10.4 and/or Java 1.5 where Java "eats" any opt keypress, preventing Option (alt) from being used as a secondary modifier.
That said, everything Patrick said is also true; option is first-and-foremost a key used for entering "special characters" (and OOo's use of it as a command-generating key breaks on Mac OS X often) and secondarily as a second-level modifier for Cmd-key combos.
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MacAodh
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: |
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ok... so the long and the short of it is that it ain't going to happen. A well. Thanks anyway lads. Keep up the good work  |
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pluby
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| yoxi wrote: | | I've never used the Repeat feature before (which is the redo in NeoOffice) - it's useful! Looking in the Tools:Options:Keyboard screen, Repeat is mysteriously allocated to a non-existent key called Again - weird. I don't know what is the developers' policy on changing/setting up keyboard defaults, but it's certainly worth asking. |
One thing that I can change is suppression of all of the "???" and "Again" keys which don't exist on Mac OS X. I have implemented this change by merely telling the OOo code that the key name is an empty string and they dissappear from the Tools :: Customize :: Keyboard tab.
I'll include the change in our next test patch.
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yoxi
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| pluby wrote: | One thing that I can change is suppression of all of the "???" and "Again" keys which don't exist on Mac OS X. I have implemented this change by merely telling the OOo code that the key name is an empty string and they dissappear from the Tools :: Customize :: Keyboard tab.
I'll include the change in our next test patch. |
Great - that's one less confusing thing.
- padmavyuha |
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