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yoxi
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 Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: The manifold Save dialogue |
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A question came up on a mac forum I frequent: how come the Save dialogue does different things in different apps? Specifically, the dialogue you get if you close a doc without saving it, that says: Save/Don't Save/Cancel.
In TextEdit (for example), you get a blue Save button, and nothing you do with the keyboard will shift the focus off that Save button. You can either hit Return to Save, or cmd-D to Don't Save, or Esc to Cancel.
In NeoOffice (for example) you get no solid blue button, just a blue highlight ring around the Save button, and you can move it along using the tab or arrow keys. And all the above keyboard shortcuts work too.
I speculated that this is something to do with carbon/cocoa/java/whatever differences. This also seems to have changed between Tiger and Leopard? Does anyone know what's making these differences occur?
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sardisson
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: Re: The manifold Save dialogue |
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| yoxi wrote: | | I speculated that this is something to do with carbon/cocoa/java/whatever differences. This also seems to have changed between Tiger and Leopard? Does anyone know what's making these differences occur? |
Well, in the NeoOffice case, that's an OOo VCL dialogue, so you get the OOo VCL behavior (which we all know is based on what Windows would do).
TextEdit, on the other hand, is obeying the system "Full Keyboard Access" pref; if you had that enabled, you could use tab to move focus among the buttons.
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Another thing for Patrick to look at some day, though now that OpenOffice 3.0 beta is out, his focus will inevitably (and preferably) shift from bells and whistles to stability and compatibility work for a while.
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pluby
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Re: The manifold Save dialogue |
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| sardisson wrote: | | yoxi wrote: | | I speculated that this is something to do with carbon/cocoa/java/whatever differences. This also seems to have changed between Tiger and Leopard? Does anyone know what's making these differences occur? |
Well, in the NeoOffice case, that's an OOo VCL dialogue, so you get the OOo VCL behavior (which we all know is based on what Windows would do).
TextEdit, on the other hand, is obeying the system "Full Keyboard Access" pref; if you had that enabled, you could use tab to move focus among the buttons.
Smokey |
Ed put in code that detects in the "Full Keyboard Access" system preference is set. Although the UI won't perfectly match built-from-the-ground-up Mac OS X applications, I believe the Full Keyboard Access functionality will be there.
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OPENSTEP
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If it's enabled you should be able to tab to buttons and you should also be able to see the accelerator underlines for the option/alt accelerators. I forget if I changed the tabbing, though. I think you should still be able to tab into buttons even if full keyboard access is off.
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Samwise
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| OPENSTEP wrote: | | If it's enabled you should be able to tab to buttons and you should also be able to see the accelerator underlines for the option/alt accelerators. |
So thats' something we have control over? I always thought this was something we couldn't work around. Is there a particular reason why we keep it (IIRC, it's against Apple's HIG)? |
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OPENSTEP
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Yes the underline drawing is under our control. It's in there with full keyboard access since the alt-key combinations do work, and without those underlines it's impossible to try and guess which letter key goes to which button or control. While it may violate HIG to draw them, it really is the only way I can think of to convey that information within a dialog 
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Samwise
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| OPENSTEP wrote: | Yes the underline drawing is under our control. It's in there with full keyboard access since the alt-key combinations do work, and without those underlines it's impossible to try and guess which letter key goes to which button or control. While it may violate HIG to draw them, it really is the only way I can think of to convey that information within a dialog
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OK. I have disabled full keyboard access (to get rid of them, actually), so I don't see them anyway. But since you type so fast, full keyboard access is probably much faster for you than using the mouse  |
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OPENSTEP
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I leave full keyboard access off myself; I never got into using it since it never existed on Macs for a long time
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yoxi
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the info, chaps. |
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