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SkippytheWonderLizard
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 Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: Cannot uncheck use java runtime environment |
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The scrolling speed in Neooffice 2.2.5, patch 7, was slow, so I attempted to follow instructions on Internet fora to go to
Tools - Options - Neooffice - Java
And uncheck "Use a Java Runtime Environment."
I did so, and restarted NeoOffice. Upon restart, the scrolling issue was unchanged. I looked in the Java options, and the "Use a Java Runtime Environment " option was checked again!
I have uninstalled and reinstalled NeoO. All java has been updated on my computer. I have repaired permissions. Nothing I have done has allowed me to uncheck this option.
MacBook Pro, OSX 10.4.11, Intel Core Duo 2.1 Ghz, 2 Gb RAM. |
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Lorinda
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Because of the way NeoOffice has ported the OpenOffice.org code, using a Java Runtime Environment is required. So it is probably not possible to deactivate JRE. Was the suggestion to uncheck it specific to NeoOffice, or was it concerning OpenOffice.org?
Even in OpenOffice.org, unchecking the JRE has significant consequences. Many (most? all?) wizards won't work, and the Base module won't function at all without JRE.
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pluby
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Lorinda wrote: | | Because of the way NeoOffice has ported the OpenOffice.org code, using a Java Runtime Environment is required. So it is probably not possible to deactivate JRE. Was the suggestion to uncheck it specific to NeoOffice, or was it concerning OpenOffice.org? |
Lorinda is correct: you cannot disable Java with NeoOffice. Without Java, NeoOffice could not display any windows so I added code long ago to force that option to be enabled at startup even if you disabled it previously.
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SkippytheWonderLizard
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: Should I start a new thread? |
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| I understand. Then this begs the question: Why did my scrolling become so slow? Did the latest Java update cause it? If so, then of course I am stuck with it; but I have to tell you: This ruins NeoOffice for me. I simply do not want to use it in this condition. |
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pluby
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Should I start a new thread? |
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| SkippytheWonderLizard wrote: | | I understand. Then this begs the question: Why did my scrolling become so slow? Did the latest Java update cause it? If so, then of course I am stuck with it; but I have to tell you: This ruins NeoOffice for me. I simply do not want to use it in this condition. |
I highly doubt Java has anything to do with your scrolling issue as the scrollbars are drawn by native Mac OS X code and when you scroll, you are largely spending most of the time in NeoOffice's underlying OpenOffice.org code.
Scrolling in a simple Writer document is not slow for me, so does this slow scrolling only occur in certain documents? If so, what kind of document is it (Writer, Calc, or Impress) and how big is it (number of pages, slides, or rows and columns)?
If scrolling is slow in all documents, then I recommend that you open the /Applications/Utilities/Activity Monitor application and see which applications other than NeoOffice are using more than 1% of CPU. If there are any such applications, does NeoOffice scrolling performance improve when you quit those other CPU-hogging applications?
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MacRat
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| And be sure to use the Activity Monitor window pick list to change the selection from the default "My Processes" to "All Processes" so you can view ALL processes running. Click on the CPU column to order the processes from smallest to largest to make it easier to see what is hogging the CPU. |
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ovvldc
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Scrolling also depends heavily on the document. NeoOffice does reflows of your text all the time.
These reflows go from page break to page break. So 40 pages without a single page break can be slower, while 4 chapters of 10 pages can be faster.
Best wishes,
Oscar
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SkippytheWonderLizard
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: Activity monitor results |
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Thanks for your diagnostic suggestions.
The document is a writer text document (a cover letter), of only 2 pages and 156 kb.
When I PageUp or PageDown, and the text moves at its glacial pace, there is a process called "WindowServer" that shoots up to 44% of CPU.
Part of the letter is my signature (black and white image). I tried deleting that and saving it as a new document. This appeared to help a bit. I then went to
Tools - Options - NeoOffice - Memory
and reduced the number of steps to 1. I made another change, saved the document, and tried the pageup and pagedown again. It is still the same.
So, I got some lorem ipsum text and tried a new document (84 kb). It scrolls pageup and pagedown at the same rate as the letter without the signature, and the WindowServer again shoots up to 46%.
Interestingly, if I just use the down-arrow key, I can get through the documents faster than if I use the pageup or pagedown keys. |
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pluby
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| Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Activity monitor results |
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| SkippytheWonderLizard wrote: | | When I PageUp or PageDown, and the text moves at its glacial pace, there is a process called "WindowServer" that shoots up to 44% of CPU. |
The WindowServer is using that much CPU? I am wondering if you have any system hacks installed on your Mac OS X machine. Some system hacks have been known to slow NeoOffice way down so can you launch the /Applications/Utilities/Terminal application, copy the following commands into the Terminal window, press the Return key, and paste the output into this forum topic?:
| Code: | ls -l ~/Library/InputManagers
ls -l ~/Library/Application\ Support
ls -l /Library/InputManagers
ls -l /Library/Application\ Support |
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SkippytheWonderLizard
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Thanks for the continued assistance. I entered the code and received the following result:
Last login: Wed Mar 25 19:43:04 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
ip68-11-56-64:~ garaldweller$ ls -l ~/Library/InputManagers
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Oct 8 15:25 1PasswdIM
ip68-11-56-64:~ garaldweller$ ls -l ~/Library/Application\ Support
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 7 garaldwe garaldwe 238 Apr 29 2008 1Passwd
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Oct 12 16:54 1Password
-rw-r--r-- 1 garaldwe garaldwe 13 Jul 30 2008 84004475
drwx------ 11 garaldwe garaldwe 374 Mar 25 19:38 AddressBook
drwxr-xr-x 8 garaldwe garaldwe 272 Apr 18 2008 Adobe
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Jul 30 2008 Apimac
drwxr-xr-x 2 garaldwe garaldwe 68 Mar 24 12:06 AppCleaner
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Aug 8 2007 Backup
drwxr-xr-x 57 garaldwe garaldwe 1938 Jul 10 2007 Button Builder
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Sep 10 2008 CDSpinDoctor
drwxr-xr-x 13 garaldwe garaldwe 442 Mar 23 14:06 Cabos
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Dec 3 2007 Calculator
drwxr-xr-x 11 garaldwe garaldwe 374 Mar 18 2007 Chess
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Jun 30 2007 CocoaJT
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Apr 24 2008 Cognito
drwxr-xr-x 9 garaldwe garaldwe 306 Aug 28 2007 Colloquy
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Dec 12 2007 Comic Life
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Mar 21 18:28 Copernicus
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Jul 18 2008 Crm4Mac
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Mar 4 2007 DVD Player
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Jul 9 2008 Daylite
drwxr-xr-x 16 garaldwe garaldwe 544 Sep 7 2008 EasyTime
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Jul 8 2008 Endicia
drwxr-xr-x 6 garaldwe garaldwe 204 Feb 21 2007 Firefox
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 May 18 2008 Flood Light Games
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Feb 22 2007 Form Pilot
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Apr 12 2007 Galcon
drwxr-xr-x 6 garaldwe garaldwe 204 Sep 4 2008 Google Earth
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Nov 17 16:43 Google SketchUp 6
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Aug 28 2007 Growl
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Aug 25 2007 HandBrake
drwxr-xr-x 2 garaldwe garaldwe 68 Jul 8 2008 JABMenu
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Dec 4 08:52 KeyCue
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Mar 2 2008 Linotype
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Mar 24 23:16 Logs
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Mar 14 2008 MacSpeech
drwxr-xr-x 10 garaldwe garaldwe 340 Aug 2 2007 MachineHead
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Jul 15 2007 Macromedia
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Jan 28 2008 Macron
drwxr-xr-x 10 garaldwe garaldwe 340 Jun 12 2007 Mellel
drwxr-xr-x 2 garaldwe garaldwe 68 Oct 22 09:46 Merlin
drwx------ 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Jun 14 2008 Microsoft
drwxr-xr-x 6 garaldwe garaldwe 204 Mar 24 05:11 Miro
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Jul 19 2007 MobileSync
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Sep 23 2008 OmniGraffle
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 May 16 2007 OpenOffice.org 2.1
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Oct 8 14:50 OsiriX
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Dec 2 2007 Pocket Tanks
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Jul 26 2008 PopCap
drwxr-xr-x 10 garaldwe garaldwe 340 Mar 25 19:43 Quicksilver
drwxr-xr-x 8 garaldwe garaldwe 272 Apr 29 2008 RapidWeaver
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Mar 4 2007 Roxio
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Nov 11 15:05 Service Scrubber
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Jul 8 2008 Spark
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Jan 28 2008 Stickies
drwxr-xr-x 11 garaldwe garaldwe 374 Dec 20 19:51 Studiometry
drwx------ 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Feb 9 2007 SyncServices
drwxr-xr-x 2 garaldwe garaldwe 68 Feb 21 2007 Terminal
drwxr-xr-x 8 garaldwe garaldwe 272 Mar 25 16:21 TextSoap
drwxr-xr-x 8 garaldwe garaldwe 272 Jul 10 2008 TextWrangler
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Jun 18 2007 VectorWorks
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Nov 10 12:11 WorldOfGoo
drwxr-xr-x 10 garaldwe garaldwe 340 Apr 22 2008 X-Chat Aqua
drwxr-xr-x 27 garaldwe garaldwe 918 Mar 23 13:58 aMule
drwxrwxrwx 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Feb 17 19:16 eSellerate
drwxr-xr-x 11 garaldwe garaldwe 374 Mar 24 23:16 iBackup
drwxr-xr-x 6 garaldwe garaldwe 204 Mar 25 15:30 iCal
drwxr-xr-x 5 garaldwe garaldwe 170 Dec 22 21:50 iDVD
drwxr-xr-x 2 garaldwe garaldwe 68 Sep 19 2007 iLifeMediaBrowser
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Mar 21 18:44 iShowU
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Mar 7 2007 iSync
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Feb 9 2007 iWeb
drwxr-xr-x 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Sep 22 2007 iWork
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Mar 28 2007 inkling
ip68-11-56-64:~ garaldweller$ ls -l /Library/InputManagers
ls: /Library/InputManagers: No such file or directory
ip68-11-56-64:~ garaldweller$ ls -l /Library/Application\ Support
total 0
drwxrwxrwx 6 garaldwe admin 204 Jul 15 2008 4D
drwxrwxr-x 15 garaldwe admin 510 Apr 18 2008 Adobe
drwxrwxr-x 7 root admin 238 Apr 27 2006 Apple
drwxrwxr-x 14 garaldwe staff 476 Sep 14 2005 Avid
drwxrwxr-x 6 garaldwe admin 204 Sep 15 2008 Deja Vu
drwxrwxr-x 5 root admin 170 Jul 31 2007 DivX
drwxr-xr-x 3 root admin 102 Jul 12 2007 FLEXnet Publisher
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe admin 102 May 18 2008 Flood Light Games
drwxrwxrwx 3 garaldwe admin 102 Jun 17 2007 GizmoLab
drwxr-xr-x 3 root admin 102 Nov 17 16:42 Google SketchUp 6
drwxrwxrwx 5 garaldwe admin 170 Jan 20 22:41 Intuit
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Sep 29 2005 Macromedia
drwxrwxrwx 3 garaldwe garaldwe 102 Oct 16 14:04 MindVision
drwxrwxr-x 4 root admin 136 Feb 20 2007 Mozilla
drwxrwxr-x 9 root admin 306 Sep 1 2007 NetServices
drwxrwxrwx 3 root admin 102 Nov 30 2005 Omni Group
drwxr-xr-x 3 garaldwe admin 102 Oct 8 14:50 OsiriX
drwxr-xr-x 2 root admin 68 Feb 24 2007 PGP
drwxrwxrwx 3 garaldwe admin 102 Jul 15 2007 ProApps
drwxrwxrwx 5 root admin 170 Apr 20 2007 Roxio
drwxrwxrwx 4 garaldwe admin 136 Jul 25 2006 SmithMicro
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Feb 15 2007 StuffItCM DropBoxes
drwxrwxrwx 4 garaldwe garaldwe 136 Sep 11 2008 TWAIN
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Jan 13 2006 Xcode
drwxrwxrwx 19 root admin 646 Mar 6 2008 ffmpegX
drwxrwxr-x 4 root admin 136 Jan 15 21:35 iDVD
drwxr-xr-x 3 root admin 102 Aug 28 2007 iMovie
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Apr 27 2006 iWork '06
drwxrwxr-x 4 root admin 136 Sep 19 2007 iWork '08
drwxrwxr-x 3 root admin 102 Feb 21 2006 plasq
ip68-11-56-64:~ garaldweller$ |
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pluby
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the output. I do not see any system hacks anywhere in your output so I that probably is not the cause.
Still, it seems that something special is happening on your system when you press the Page Up or Page Down keys. So, the next possibility that I can think of is that maybe this unusual behavior is caused by a Mac OS X user preference.
To test this theory, can launch the System Preferences application, click on the Accounts icon, and create a new, non-administrator user? Then, logout of your current user and log into the new user. Does the same problem occur with a new "lorem ipsum" document?
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sardisson
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| pluby wrote: | | Thank you for the output. I do not see any system hacks anywhere in your output so I that probably is not the cause. |
1PasswdIM is actually a system hack (InputManager).
Smokey
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pluby
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| sardisson wrote: | | 1PasswdIM is actually a system hack (InputManager). |
That is true, but the output only shows 1PasswdIM user preference files and since the actual 1PasswdIM binary is not in either InputManagers folder, it appears that it is no longer installed.
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SkippytheWonderLizard
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| pluby wrote: | To test this theory, can launch the System Preferences application, click on the Accounts icon, and create a new, non-administrator user? Then, logout of your current user and log into the new user. Does the same problem occur with a new "lorem ipsum" document?
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I will try tomorrow, but won't NeoOffice continue to use the same user preferences in the ~/library/neooffice2.2/user folder? |
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pluby
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| SkippytheWonderLizard wrote: | | I will try tomorrow, but won't NeoOffice continue to use the same user preferences in the ~/library/neooffice2.2/user folder? |
No. This is because "~" for your new user will be a different folder than "~" for your current user. Mac OS X creates separate Home folders for each user on your machine so that each user has their own unique user preference files in their ~/Library/Preferences folder.
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