Joined: Feb 03, 2004 Posts: 241 Location: Scotland
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: Speed
I have been working on 10MB+ presentations recently with NeoOffice/J. No problems no crashes. Also, what is a real joy is how quickly it starts up now compared with some months ago - 13 sec on my PowerBook 867 MHz. Overall a very mature application - Thanks.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Speed
Glenner wrote:
I have been working on 10MB+ presentations recently with NeoOffice/J. No problems no crashes. Also, what is a real joy is how quickly it starts up now compared with some months ago - 13 sec on my PowerBook 867 MHz. Overall a very mature application - Thanks.
As a comparison, my PowerBook (1.5Ghz, 1.5G memory, OSX 10.4, JDK 1.5 (set as default), FileVault on home dir, encrypted virtual memory) startup time of NeoOffice/J 1.1RC-Patch3 is allways at least 25 secs (when the application is mostly cached and no other applications are running). In fact it takes about 15 secs for just to see the "NeoOffice/J banner".
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Speed
jole wrote:
Glenner wrote:
I have been working on 10MB+ presentations recently with NeoOffice/J. No problems no crashes. Also, what is a real joy is how quickly it starts up now compared with some months ago - 13 sec on my PowerBook 867 MHz. Overall a very mature application - Thanks.
As a comparison, my PowerBook (1.5Ghz, 1.5G memory, OSX 10.4, JDK 1.5 (set as default), FileVault on home dir, encrypted virtual memory) startup time of NeoOffice/J 1.1RC-Patch3 is allways at least 25 secs (when the application is mostly cached and no other applications are running). In fact it takes about 15 secs for just to see the "NeoOffice/J banner".
Any tips on what might be wrong?
Hmmmm. How about the overhead of the encryption on your Home directory for starters? I notice that it takes some time for the NeoOffice/J banner to come up if I'm running multiple applications on my PBG4 1.3. I attribute this to the operating system moving stuff around to make space for the Java VM (which Neo/J runs in) and other housekeeping tasks prior to starting up NeoOffice/J. I think that adding memory helped in this regard, but I'm still using a sizeable chunk of on-disk memory space. OpenOffice on Linux was also very slow to start, but both are very 'snappy' once things are running.
Joined: May 25, 2003 Posts: 4752 Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject:
One thing that I have noticed with 10.4 is that some applications do take longer to start. I've noticed it more with CFM applications and honestly haven't launched NeoJ enough under 10.4 yet to determine if 10.4 is presenting any other issues.
Even if you have Java 1.5 installed on 10.3, NeoJ 1.1 RC is hardwired to use the Java 1.3.1 VM for a number of reasons. Java 1.5 shouldn't affect NeoJ in the slightest (depending on how it's installed).
Joined: Feb 03, 2004 Posts: 241 Location: Scotland
Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 12:40 am Post subject: Speed
After a clean install of 10.4 I have experienced no change in start-up time. If I restart my computer, the first time NeoOffice/J starts up it will take more like 30 sec, but any subsequent start-up, i.e. normal usage, is @ 13-14 sec. NeoO/J continues to be rock solid after switching to Tiger.
Joined: May 25, 2003 Posts: 4752 Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
That sounds like the stuff in the 1.3.1 VM to initialize the shared archive is still working in 10.4, which is good news 1.3.1 is an old horse and isn't being improved any more, so the startup times may not get much better on 10.4 (but at least haven't gotten any worse). I'm just thankful 1.3.1 is still in 10.4
Of course, for those who experience long startup times (and who use NeoOffice/J routinely) you could always add it as a startup item in your login preferences. I haven't tried that myself so am not sure if it's possible to have it startup in minimized or no-window mode, but that would certainly help you to not sit around waiting after you've clicked on the program.
not sure if it's possible to have it startup in minimized or no-window mode
That's a really good point, actually - Patrick, now that the QuickStart code is working, is it possible to have Neo/J start up windowless if it's not launched to open a specific doc or docs? I'll add this to bugzilla...
I added a comment to yoxi's bug already, but you get into the situation of neither cmd-o nor cmd-n working if Neo/J launches windowless (typically Mac apps don't launch windowless anyway), which offers *huge* potential for confusion, esp. with new users.
Some time back someone asked about login apps and why Neo/J wouldn't launch hidden (I'm guessing the "hide" event gets sent before Neo/J is fully launched and can handle it), I did some investigation and offered an AppleScript that work around this (the variable is launch time on your system, so some tweaking of the "delay nn" statement may be necessary). Just paste into ScriptEditor, save as an app (no splashscreen), and put it into your startup items.
Is this wiki-worthy?
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 5:13 am Post subject: Speaking of speed...
I noticed how much slower NeoOffice is with 10.4 as compared to 10.3.x. Even simply moving between cells in a spreadsheet gives me a beackball as it waits to catch up to my key strokes. Any ideas on how to speed it up? The sluggishness is the same on a dual 1gig or a slow 600mhz ibook. Both used to be speedy.
Chris
I'm trying to use NeoOffice/J specially with Writer and Impress in order to switch from MS Office. For me, simple end-user, the biggest default of NeoOffice/J is the sluggish animations of full-screen presentation with Impress compared to MS PowerPoint. Animations rendering are too much slow either with imported MS PowerPoint or with Impress presentations .
I've compared NeoOffice Impress and OOo 1.1.2 (X11) Impress, and the older OOo (X11) get even faster than NeoOffice .
All this on a all new PowerBook G4 1,65 GHz under Tiger and with 1 GHz RAM.
Joined: Feb 12, 2005 Posts: 607 Location: Australia
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: Speed vs previous version
FWIW
I have revived my old Release Candidate version of NOJ and find that the older RC version is much faster to load up [the delay in the new version when the indicator line is 2/3 of the way across, which is I understand fonts loading, doesn't seem to be there in the older RC]. [eMac 1.25, 1gb RAM, os 10.3.9]
Joined: Sep 18, 2003 Posts: 434 Location: London, UK
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:34 am Post subject: Re: Speed vs previous version
aussie149 wrote:
I have revived my old Release Candidate version of NOJ and find that the older RC version is much faster to load up [the delay in the new version when the indicator line is 2/3 of the way across, which is I understand fonts loading, doesn't seem to be there in the older RC]. [eMac 1.25, 1gb RAM, os 10.3.9]
FWIW, that delay is there in the older versions, except it occurs prior to the splash screen appearing which may give it the illusion of loading faster than it actually does.
The light grey background for the toolbars etc will be back. Not a no.1 priority for Patrick at the moment, I assume. _________________ PBG4, 1.5GHz, SuperDrive, 1GB RAM, 128MB VRAM, 5400rpm 80GB HD, MacOS X 10.4.5
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1.3.1 is an old horse and isn't being improved any more, so the startup times may not get much better on 10.4 (but at least haven't gotten any worse). I'm just thankful 1.3.1 is still in 10.4 
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