So its a bit harder than I thought because PPC is RISC. On the Intel boxes at work its all cut and dried, but PPC, using smaller instructions, gets a lot less direct in the ordering.
People want to change these bytes in libvcl645mxp.dylib to "E6" instead of "C0":
0x6CA3
0x6CB2
0x6CB3
These bytes have the R, G, and B values respectively of the color that COL_LIGHTGRAY maps to. Unfortunately, all items that have COL_LIGHTGRAY will now be whatever color we put in here. The better way would be to patch the source...
Well, it's no brushed metal, but certainly an improvement!
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Well, it's no brushed metal, but certainly an improvement!
Thanks!
Oh no, keeped the brushed metal away. You think Win95 gray looks bad, try seeing all of Neo in brushed metal--that's a nightmare! Way too dark and heavy looking.
It's no Aqua stripes, but it's a major improvement! Dan rocks!
Can we get this color for 1.1 final, pretty please?
Edit: oh, I missed the part where Dan explained it's still a bit of hackery, not a proper source-change....
Dan's earlier off-hand comment about them ripping out the "Mac style" from 2.0...indeed, the Options: <appname>: View pane has lost the "Mac look and Feel" option in 2.0, meaning all X widgets *and* no way to remove the silly underlines in all the menu items, dialogues, etc.
(At one point Patrick set the default to be the Mac style to bring a slightly more Mac-like look to Neo/J, so they're still used in 1.1.x, at least here )
Presumably when everything is drawn with N*F, this will no longer matter, right?
Menus are already OK (no underlines) because of NMF, but the other N*F (whichever one gets used for drawing the preferences, for instance) also strip out all of those Windows underlines from items?
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
I think this gray is optimum for pop-up menu. I share some other impression:
- the wiki suggestion to use the gray 10% for background window is now counterproductive. I change it to 20% or 30% to see the difference between the windows 'border' and windows background.
- some place like icon toolbar and (above all) the sheets tabs are suffering for the gray 10%... I got the feeling icons 'swimming' in the toolbar. I don't know if it is the habit of the old gray or not.
- I like the brush, like in mellel, but I think Oo/neo icons are not suited for the brush metal look.
- the fonts in messages and configuring windows still seem to me too light... I feel fine the pop-up menu fonts, but the printing (for example) not: is the same font size?
"Dan's earlier off-hand comment about them ripping out the "Mac style" from 2.0...indeed, the Options: <appname>: View pane has lost the "Mac look and Feel" option in 2.0, meaning all X widgets *and* no way to remove the silly underlines in all the menu items, dialogues, etc."
*weak rationalization approaching*
So maybe there IS some reason to stick to NeoJ ver. 0.7! Those things are still in there. (rounded buttons, no underscores in menu titles, etc.)
Anyway, I took dan's lead and went into what seemed like the equivalent library in ver. 0.7,
libvcl641.dylib
and changed the ONLY 3 locations that showed c0 (small c/zero) to e6.
001C54E0
0010E780
001F1190
Of course, this is on the ASCII side of the code which translates into 6536 entry into the Hex side. I used HexEdit instead of ResFork as ResFork is confusing with what I consider a poor searching function.
No dice. Any old timer with v 0.7 wanna confirm this?
Do you have to chuck the prefs folder in NeoJ before it kicks in? Log out and back in? Reboot?
There are a "boatload", hehe, of C0's (capital C/zero) in the lib but it seems like only those 3 locations would need to be changed like in ver 1.1.
Any thoughts/suggestions? Or am I goin' to have to settle for turning off all toolbars? ; ) Does this change need to be done in sonmething other than HexEdit (OS X) of ResEdit with the Forker extension (Mac OS Classic mode)?
I did notice how dan's hack puts the windoze Light grey (which is actually darker than a lot of want) around the page now while correcting everything else to 10% grey as desired.
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Guest wrote:
dan's DA MAN!!!!!!!
Smokey said:
"Dan's earlier off-hand comment about them ripping out the "Mac style" from 2.0...indeed, the Options: <appname>: View pane has lost the "Mac look and Feel" option in 2.0, meaning all X widgets *and* no way to remove the silly underlines in all the menu items, dialogues, etc."
*weak rationalization approaching*
So maybe there IS some reason to stick to NeoJ ver. 0.7! Those things are still in there. (rounded buttons, no underscores in menu titles, etc.)
Very, very weak as the current version is stilll based on OOo version 1.x.x like NOJ 0.7
"Dan's earlier off-hand comment about them ripping out the "Mac style" from 2.0...indeed, the Options: <appname>: View pane has lost the "Mac look and Feel" option in 2.0, meaning all X widgets *and* no way to remove the silly underlines in all the menu items, dialogues, etc."
*weak rationalization approaching*
So maybe there IS some reason to stick to NeoJ ver. 0.7! Those things are still in there. (rounded buttons, no underscores in menu titles, etc.)
As I mentioned in the following paragraph, they're still there in 1.1.x, too. Not a reason to stick with 0.7
Guest wrote:
Anyway, I took dan's lead and went into what seemed like the equivalent library in ver. 0.7,
libvcl641.dylib
[...]
No dice. Any old timer with v 0.7 wanna confirm this?
I can almost guarantee that you're the only person in the world still running 0.7. The 0.x series were a whole different branch of the OOo code, so it's not a surprise that the same things don't work....
Smokey _________________ "[...] whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." -- ovvldc and sardisson in the NeoWiki
OK, Smokey, seeing as how you've been very gracious about all this, I guess I'll upgrade... eventually.
There is just something about the challege involved here that I don't want to let go of just yet.
I'm going to try and edit the copy of that lib file again tonight with some other program to see if that makes a difference. Then again maybe I'm just oversimplifier the memory address marker locations that day described earlier in this thread.
If you've ever been over to ResExcellence.com and reviewed the OS X mods., one of them has a caveat that a mod wouldn't work using HexEdit but would using ResFork. So I need to learn how to use ResFork better. I cut my teeth over at ResEdit with help from old regulars PeterMac (PM), stonycase (stony) and BK, among others. It's just not the same over there these days, especially with the forum. Hacking your Mac was much simpler in the old Classic days.
Also, will move the NOJ prefs folder to the desktop and see if NOJ automatically creates a new one, stuff like that.
And I feel bad, if we had brainstormed on this much sooner, dan could have bailed us out months ago possibly!
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