Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:30 pm Post subject: Foundation
The proposed foundation now has its own topic down in Random Whatnot, right were Boukman said he (she?) would put it. So we can bang out issues, direction, and so forth there and continue discussion on more-NeoJ-specific fundraising issues, such as the "marketing materials" upgrade to the website(s), here.
• Option 1, the PayPal thing, absolutely. Lots of users may not care about a foundation; as someone said, they just want to "pay for" their software, and this does it very easily for lots of folks.
Personally, since I'm in the US, I'd prefer to send a check so that Planamesa gets every cent of my donation, cutting out PayPal's cut, assuming a direct check doesn't cause extra paperwork/hassle. There are also people that seem to vehemently dislike PayPal for whatever reason. So, assuming that US checks are no hassle, an address, or a note to "email if you'd like to send a check" line along with the PayPal button would be nice. Probably repeat the note from the other thread about contacting before sending large donations, too!
• As for Option 2, the "nagware" thing, I think the latest idea of simply opening the patch page (with the donation button) when there's a new patch is superb.
I just posted Neo/J 1.1 Alpha 2 "Patch-5" and it has this "new patch available" feature.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Donation
Boukman wrote:
Just so that you know that I am a man of my word, I donated 25$ today to NeoJ. It looks like it might be your first donation!
Thanks!
BTW. You are the first to use the new donation web page so I don't know if everything worked OK. PayPal did confirm that payment but did PayPal return you to planamesa.com after you completed the transaction? I wasn't able to test this as PayPal won't allow me to execute test transactions.
Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 9:39 pm Post subject: Donation
Yes it did work properly, returning me to the patch page, and after a while loading the main NeoJ page. I hope that's the behaviour you wanted from this part of your website.
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:46 am Post subject:
Just made my donation as well and it (apparently) worked as expected - my credit card bill in the next few days will show me if it did or not .
However, a few criticisms:
1) with PayPal you can only donate US dollars, which is probably fair enough as I assume both Patrick and Ed are US based, but perhaps you should make this clear on your donations page as your international contributors are going to get hit for a conversion fee (sigh).
2) I think you should emphasise your Donations "bar" to make it, well, visible actually - it took me a few seconds to spot it (largely because I looked at the bottom of the page first as - in my experience - this is typically where you find the Donations/Payment/whatever bit). I'd give it a more eye-catching background than the plain 10%(?) grey it is on at the moment. I suggest a pale yellow such as "ffff99" which leads the eye without being too domineering:
or if you want something more in keeping with Sun's colour schemes for OOo, a pale blue like "ccccff":
Wrt writing a history of OOo on the Mac and NO/NOJ for Trinity as I suggested, I'd be more than willing to volunteer, but will not have the time to do it until after the New Year. _________________ PBG4, 1.5GHz, SuperDrive, 1GB RAM, 128MB VRAM, 5400rpm 80GB HD, MacOS X 10.4.5
1) with PayPal you can only donate US dollars, which is probably fair enough as I assume both Patrick and Ed are US based, but perhaps you should make this clear on your donations page as your international contributors are going to get hit for a conversion fee (sigh).
I can accept any PayPal supported currency so I have updated the donation page to have a list box where you can select the currency.
The bad news is I suspect that PayPal will hit me with a currency conversion fee of 2.5% when I move the funds to my U.S. bank account.
If the fees become too onerous. I may look into getting a credit card merchant account through charge.com.
JKT wrote:
2) I think you should emphasise your Donations "bar" to make it, well, visible actually - it took me a few seconds to spot it (largely because I looked at the bottom of the page first as - in my experience - this is typically where you find the Donations/Payment/whatever bit). I'd give it a more eye-catching background than the plain 10%(?) grey it is on at the moment. I suggest a pale yellow such as "ffff99" which leads the eye without being too domineering:
Wrt writing a history of OOo on the Mac and NO/NOJ for Trinity as I suggested, I'd be more than willing to volunteer, but will not have the time to do it until after the New Year.
Is anyone else actively working on this? If not, I'll take a stab at it this week, at least something rough that those who know more can suggest additions/changes to (having just spent more time than I wanted writing a little bit of it in a reply to a post up in OOo X11 Support...).
Is anyone else actively working on this? If not, I'll take a stab at it this week, at least something rough that those who know more can suggest additions/changes to (having just spent more time than I wanted writing a little bit of it in a reply to a post up in OOo X11 Support...).
Well, if you're doing it already.. And you ARE listed as an Oracle .
I had a stroke of genius the other day WRT to the history thing...
use the wiki
then we can all write it. =)
I can start the page if that will help
I was actually thinking about sitting down and banging out my draft and then putting it in the Public folder of my iDisk and we could edit in Neo/J and track changes and whatnot.
The wikiWay is fine with me, too Does anyone else who potentially would help with the history/overview thing have a preference?
Speaking of the wiki, I was thinking about starting a "release notes" page there that mentioned some of the differences between Neo/J and OOo (print options dialogue appearing) and tips that seem to be poorly documented (Max's tips about docking the Stylist, etc., his latest tip about autocomplete)....
The wikiWay is fine with me, too Does anyone else who potentially would help with the history/overview thing have a preference?
Speaking of the wiki, I was thinking about starting a "release notes" page there that mentioned some of the differences between Neo/J and OOo (print options dialogue appearing) and tips that seem to be poorly documented (Max's tips about docking the Stylist, etc., his latest tip about autocomplete)....
I am an adept of the Wiki Way . Seriously, I have a MediaWiki 1.3.8 installation running on my iBook and I use it all the time as a notepad, so that I can easily expand short notes into big projects. And it keeps all of your old versions for reference.
Anyway, WikiWay is good for me. I don't have much experience with an iDisk, and tried to set up a DAV server on my own machine but I can't get the damn thing to work.
Well, i set up pages for the History and the release notes. and am going to start fixing the wiki up some. I ideas/goals for the wiki, but i'll start a thread in the general section to talk about that.
but i do agree with smokey, we should take those nifty things that people post in the forums and make Wiki pages from them to try to help keep the knowledge readily availble. I'll make a 'tips' link for each brand, and then we can go from there.
remember everyone, it is a wiki, so if you think something should go there, put it there.
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