Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 3:45 am Post subject: font problems when using specific typefaces in cyrillic
hi,
i've been enjoying the 1.1 beta of no/j for a while now and it works great so far.
yesterday i came across something rather annoying though and i double checked it in ooo 1.1.2 and found it doesn't have the problem.
the problem is as follows;
when using standard 'helvetica' with cyrillic in the text (yes, standard helvetica does do cyrillic) there are formatting oddities in the text, mostly additional spaces where there are no space-characters between letters. since every other word more is broken up in this way, it makes reading a text... well... let's say 'inconvenient'...
the problem is fixed by switching all fonts to 'helvetica cy' for example.
but since that is inconvenient as well and ooo 1.1.2 finally solved most of the cyrillic display problems that had made ooo until that point almost unusable in anything but latin, it creates an unnecessary problem for no/j users.
is this a known formatting / display bug?
btw, for what it's worth; the problem persists when no/j exports such a document to pdf, the pdf will have the same display problem.
open the same document in ooo, exporting to pdf, it all works without this display problem.
on a related note; why is there no arial shipped with either ooo or no/j for os x?
i keep getting these ooo format documents from ooo users on windows who insist on making every document use either times new roman or arial
thanks for this great product!
looking forward to the final release!
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: font problems when using specific typefaces in cyrillic
rene wrote:
when using standard 'helvetica' with cyrillic in the text (yes, standard helvetica does do cyrillic) there are formatting oddities in the text, mostly additional spaces where there are no space-characters between letters. since every other word more is broken up in this way, it makes reading a text... well... let's say 'inconvenient'...
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is this a known formatting / display bug?
btw, for what it's worth; the problem persists when no/j exports such a document to pdf, the pdf will have the same display problem.
open the same document in ooo, exporting to pdf, it all works without this display problem.
I know Patrick has had to fix some spacing issues with a number of scripts/languages in the 1.1 Alpha and Beta cycles so far (some again after Beta, since we switched from 1.1.2 to 1.1.3 OOo codebase!), so it's quite possible this is a real issue (since it works in OOo/X11) and our CY user community is small enough that you're the first to bring it up. (It might also be a Carbon/Cocoa font access issue--Neo/J can't access Helvetica Bold but TextEdit can, because somehow TextEdit is seeing Helvetica CY Bold as Helvetica Bold!)
The best way to get this looked at is to file a bug in the Neo Bugzilla to make sure it stays on the developers' radar.
rene wrote:
on a related note; why is there no arial shipped with either ooo or no/j for os x?
i keep getting these ooo format documents from ooo users on windows who insist on making every document use either times new roman or arial
Because those are proprietary fonts, not free/open source ones; aside from OpenSymbol and the Vera faces, Neo/J (and OOo, in a convoluted way) rely on the fonts installed on your Mac. Old (pre-Unicode) versions of the MS "core" fonts (Arial, Times NR, Georgia, Verdana, etc.) should be installed by default with Mac OS X, and Office 2004 ships with the new Unicode versions. One hopes MS will let Apple bundle those in 10.4 instead of the 5+ year-old versions currently bundled, so that we can have font parity without having to buy Office....
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject:
On an unrelated note, if you can find a "comparable" font for Arial, it is possible to remap those documents you receive with Arial to use a different font within NeoJ for drawing and printing:
1) Go to Tools > Options > NeoOffice/J > Fonts settings.
2) Check "Apply replacement table"
3) Enter "Arial" as the Font, and then choose an appropriate font from the "Replace with" popup on the right that can display the required Unicode characters
This will, of course, prevent you from ever using the actual Arial on your OS X box if you have any installed, but it's a convenient workaround for remapping all those Windows fonts to more Unicode friendly ones
thanks for the advise and comments.
have files a bug report. hope it will be fixed soon.
unicode compatibility is extremely important - it's what keeps me from going insane in an environment where i have to constantly switch between platforms and character sets...
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