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djpimley
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| Given Patrick's misgivings and the fact that OOo 3.2.x is an unknown quantity at the moment, personally I would prefer to be on the 3.1.1 codebase. |
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ovvldc
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. I must say that the 3.1.x feature list looks pretty compelling and the 3.2.0 less so. However, the improved filters would be nice, as would the better handling of merged cells and copy & paste in calc.
All in all, it doesn't matter too much for me. I assume that Patrick will spend more time reimplementing his native locking code back into the 3.1.x codebase.
And if engineers do any cleaning for 3.3, that might make a better target. But that remains to be seen.
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pluby
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| PGAGA wrote: | | I would tend to ask for updates from 3.2 such as filters and dictionaries, rather than a complete code rebuild. |
Since most of the OpenOffice.org filter code is tightly integrated with the application code, we need to upgrade all of the OpenOffice.org code that NeoOffice uses. The only possible exception to this is the .docx, .xlsx, and .pptx file formats because the OpenOffice.org engineers implemented those separately from the application code.
| ovvldc wrote: | | All in all, it doesn't matter too much for me. I assume that Patrick will spend more time reimplementing his native locking code back into the 3.1.x codebase. |
Not true. We backported the native locking code from OpenOffice.org and then fixed the Mac bugs in their code. So, in upgrading to either OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 or 3.2.x will only require merging our Mac-specific bug fixes.
| ovvldc wrote: | | And if engineers do any cleaning for 3.3, that might make a better target. But that remains to be seen. |
Actually, I think the oppposite will occur and OpenOffice.org's Mac code is diverging away from the direction that we have been going. The most noticeable example of this divergence is OpenOffice.org's plans to to drop native print dialogs.
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ovvldc
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Well, if the filters are easily backported and native file locking is fairly painless, I see 3.1.1 as a good idea.
Something in me still likes catching up with the latest set of features, but by now most of these are polish instead of very basic functionality.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| pluby wrote: | | ovvldc wrote: | | All in all, it doesn't matter too much for me. I assume that Patrick will spend more time reimplementing his native locking code back into the 3.1.x codebase. |
Not true. We backported the native locking code from OpenOffice.org and then fixed the Mac bugs in their code. |
That's what I thought, but the OOo 3.1.x feature list I linked to above clearly touts cross-platform, non-native locking code as a new feature 
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pluby
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ovvldc wrote: | | Well, if the filters are easily backported and native file locking is fairly painless, I see 3.1.1 as a good idea. |
I hope you meant to say that file import and export filters are not easily backported. I have tried backporting Writer filters every so often, but each time I found that the newer filter code depends on changes outside of Writer.
What I am hearing from the discussion so far is that donors want the file import and export filter bug fixes and improvements from the newer OpenOffice.org versions. If that is the case, then maybe my original post can be rephrased as the following two questions:
1. Are the file import and export bug fixes and features in newer OpenOffice.org releases something that donors want?
2. If yes, do you want to get some of the bug fixes and features quickly (by upgrading to the OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 code) or wait 2 or 3 months extra to get all of the bug fixes (by upgrading to the OpenOffice.org 3.2.x code).
I really appreciate the discussion in this topic as it is always hard for us to guess when the time is right to upgrade to a newer version of the OpenOffice.org code. Don't worry about whether or not upgrading to OpenOffice.org 3.2.x is more work for me. If donors think that skipping OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 and going straight to OpenOffice.org 3.2.x is the right move, then I will do use the OpenOffice 3.2.x code.
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James3359
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From this user's POV, I'm not experiencing any noticeable difficulties with 3.0.2 EA or the latest 3.0.2 test build. I don't have any problem with the idea of going to 3.1.1 - but it's no big thing for me either.
If there is an advantage in making an early start on 3.2.x then I'd say go for it and spread the pain a bit more thinly and give yourself more space to release NO 3.2.x in good time following the release of OOo 3.2.1 and/or look at implementing some other features. OTOH if, realistically, there's no great advantage in making a start on 3.2 because of likely changes between 3.2.0 and 3.2.1 then it may be worth keeping up to date with 3.1.1.
This is based on the view that for me there are no new killer features in OOo 3.1.1 over what we've got now in NO 3.0.2.
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djpimley
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| My tuppence would be: yes to import/export improvements, and yes to quickly. |
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rays
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| djpimley wrote: | | My tuppence would be: yes to import/export improvements, and yes to quickly. |
I second this option. Whether we like it or not, part of the success of NeoOffice has been its ability to keep pace or even be ahead of the curve in terms of exchanging files with M$ Office, when compared with other alternatives. I wouldn't want to compromise its hard-won reputation in that regard and, yes, it is very important to my particular organization at this time.
Thanks, Patrick, for seeking to clarify the strength of opinions amongst donors in this way.
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SteveRead
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| I like the Comment improvements, but for me the biggest issue is the improvement in the import/export filters for Word. I would like that quickly as well. Sharing word documents with others is important to me and people are increasingly using the .docx format. |
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ovvldc
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Given that the print system in OOo will probably be unstable in the whole 3.3.x series, I think that is at least one to avoid  .
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pluby
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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It seems that donors are leaning towards upgrading to OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 sooner rather than waiting later to upgrade to OpenOffice.org 3.2.1.
Just to make sure, is that what donors want? If so, I can start working on an OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 upgrade later this month after I get a Writer bug fixed. I cannot set any release dates yet, but I would initially work with the assumption that we could get a NeoOffice 3.1.1 Early Access release out by the end of March.
If you really want us to skip OpenOffice.org 3.1.1 and focus on upgrading to OpenOffice.org 3.2.1, please let us know.
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rays
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| pluby wrote: | ... I would initially work with the assumption that we could get a NeoOffice 3.1.1 Early Access release out by the end of March.
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This time-frame would be very helpful from my pespective. And, of course, we'll be ready to undertake any import/export testing ahead of the early access release if this will help to move this along.
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OPENSTEP
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Yeah I think 3.1.1 seems more reasonable from our "incremental" approach. That codeline has already been in production for some time and seems to be mostly stable.
There have been quite a number of release candidate binaries for the initial 3.2 codeline, already 4 within a month and a half. That just doesn't strike a chord of stability in 3.2.0, IMHO.
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ovvldc
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Go for it 
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