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znerd
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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:16 am Post subject: Recent documents in 'NeoOffice' program menu |
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The list of recent documents is not in the NeoOffice program menu, but in the File menu; so it's impossible to open a recently opened file without having any other file open.
In my opinion it should move to the 'NeoOffice' program menu for improved productivity and increased Mac OS X integration. |
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aussie149
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Welcome |
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Welcome to NeoOffice user forum. Hope you enjoy using NeoOffice. What you have raised has been raised before. In essence, the recent documents link is always in the File menu in OS X. Have a look at your other programs and that's where you'll find it. So this issue is about what shows up when you load NeoOffice. Agreed, that menu does not allow you to choose a recent document. I can't remeber why this has not been possible to implement, but you're in luck. A clever user has just developed NoMu, which can give you a pull-down menu in your finder to select recent documents. Go here. Use it all the time and you won't have that problem any more.
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znerd
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: Indeed you are right, but... |
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Indeed you are right. I just checked Keynote and there the 'Open recent documents...' menu item is indeed under 'Archive'.
However, in Keynote, the 'Archive' menu is always visible, whereas NeoOffice disables it when no document is open.
So my suggestion is then to just disable individual submenu entries instead of complete submenus when no file is open. So then 'Archive'/'File' is always visible. |
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sardisson
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Indeed you are right, but... |
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| znerd wrote: | | So my suggestion is then to just disable individual submenu entries instead of complete submenus when no file is open. So then 'Archive'/'File' is always visible. |
This requires teaching OpenOffice.org about a system menubar (it thinks menus are only associated with windows, and if there are no windows open, you don't need menus) and then re-architecting every single window in OpenOffice.org.
In other words, rewriting OpenOffice.org.
Smokey
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pluby
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Indeed you are right, but... |
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| sardisson wrote: | | This requires teaching OpenOffice.org about a system menubar (it thinks menus are only associated with windows, and if there are no windows open, you don't need menus) and then re-architecting every single window in OpenOffice.org. |
Excellent way to explain it Smokey (and Java has the same issue). Reading your explanation made me remember that there is one technical route that could be used to implement this given the existing Java and OOo constraint that menus are tied to windows.
That technical route would be to bring back the much-hated empty OOo "backing window". That window had a bare-bones set of menus that includes the recent documents menu.
Of course since many people really hated that window, I would have to tweak the existing OOo backing window behavior to create a very tiny window that opens outside of the visible screen bounds so that, effectively, there is no window but its menus show in the menubar.
It's a hacky approach, but that type of approach isn't too expensive. My initial rough estimate is that it would be $15,000 if we put it on the New Features Program page.
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sardisson
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Indeed you are right, but... |
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| pluby wrote: | That technical route would be to bring back the much-hated empty OOo "backing window". That window had a bare-bones set of menus that includes the recent documents menu.
Of course since many people really hated that window, I would have to tweak the existing OOo backing window behavior to create a very tiny window that opens outside of the visible screen bounds so that, effectively, there is no window but its menus show in the menubar. |
This is roughly what Mozilla's XUL apps do; they have a "hidden window" on Mac OS X that contains the menus for the main (browser) window. It's an ugly hack and has lots of bugs, but it more-or-less works 
Smokey
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jakeOSX
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is that why you get that stupid little window when you do expose with moz open???
that always bugged me. |
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znerd
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:07 am Post subject: Firefox seems OK though |
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| With Firefox, Expose doesn't show any small window, so perhaps our friends at Mozilla worked around the issue somehow... |
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pluby
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| jakeOSX wrote: | is that why you get that stupid little window when you do expose with moz open???
that always bugged me. |
NeoOffice would have the same problem. However, I wrote a quick Java test program and have found that I can make the Java window 1 x 1 pixels in size with no titlebar. In other words, the Java window that is needed to implement this feature would appear as a tiny white dot when Exposé is invoked.
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pluby
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: |
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FYI. Since the scope of this item is now pretty clear and I feel that the cost estimate is pretty solid, I have added this feature to the list on the New Features page.
Patrick |
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LemonAid
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Not my first choice, but I donated some funds for this "New Feature".
One more way to make NeoOffice more "Mac like"!
We'll find a feature that has popular support ... soon! 
Philip ( "Pay ... for Play" Works for me! ) |
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Baggypants
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Firefox seems OK though |
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| znerd wrote: | | With Firefox, Expose doesn't show any small window, so perhaps our friends at Mozilla worked around the issue somehow... |
you get it with the sound editor Audacity on OS X though |
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