Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: New Not NeoIconer
sardisson wrote:
Heh, another example of KHTML/KJS/WebKit's poor JavaScript support?
The reason you get nothing in Safari is it doesn't support hidden iFrames. I don't think this is actually against specifications. But I'm sure Iconic will work under other browsers, I just don't want to get caught up in more support than I have to.
As you guys can probably tell, I've got enough trouble-shooting as it is...
Brett, I'm trying to use Iconic 0.9.2, but I don't understand it - please can you talk me through this?
In the Iconset Settings are two dropdowns, for source & target zip (which don't get a mention in your readme.html file, by the way!) - how do I use these?
What I'm trying to do is use the CrystalPlus icon set that comes with Iconic - to make that the 'standard' icon set, and add into it these new doctype icons from Mr Pimley. But whatever I'm doing with Iconic doesn't do at all what I was expecting. Help!
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: Re: New Not NeoIconer
berchca wrote:
At the moment, they'll get an error message, but later, when I have more free time, I'll probably replace it with some snarky comment about reading the program requirements.
Seriously, though. Firefox handles some calls that Safari does not, and one of those is key to making this work smoothly. And Firefox is the only browser that works on all three major platforms, so it requires less work when porting the program.
How about actually making it work on Safari? It's not that hard to write cross-platform javascript. I was looking through the code that you are using, and there isn't anything there that couldn't be done in another way so that it would work on whatever browser is the default one...
In my opinion, it's best not to force people to use a certain browser simply because you want to spend "less work" developing your application.
In the Iconset Settings are two dropdowns, for source & target zip (which don't get a mention in your readme.html file, by the way!) - how do I use these?
Sorry about that, they are new in 9.2 and I didn't think to add them to the readme. Basically, OOo 2.0 originally included a single zip file. Now, with 2.02, they are including four. These are the four selectable themes you'll see in the settings (default, crystal, industrial, hi-res.) These drop downs allow you to pick which style icons you use as a base (meaning, the icons you don't replace) and underwhich style you want the icons to appear in NeoO. I imagine in most cases, you would select the same for each. Example:
You want to change a few icons, and you want them to appear in the KDE section of NeoOffice. So you select the target .zip at images_crystal.zip. Since you want all the images you don't replace to remain in the KDE theme, you select images_crystal.zip for the source zip as well.
That make sense?
yoxi wrote:
What I'm trying to do is use the CrystalPlus icon set that comes with Iconic - to make that the 'standard' icon set, and add into it these new doctype icons from Mr Pimley. But whatever I'm doing with Iconic doesn't do at all what I was expecting. Help!
At the moment, I'm sad to say, Iconic doesn't handle doctype icons. Of course, since there's a batch of them going around, I should probably try to get that happening quickly...
I'll be on the road today, but will check back in late.
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: Re: New Not NeoIconer
toonetown wrote:
How about actually making it work on Safari?
I apologize if I was too vague before. The answer is no.
toonetown wrote:
In my opinion, it's best not to force people to use a certain browser simply because you want to spend "less work" developing your application.
I appreciate your point of view, and anxiously look forward to including your code changes that will allow the program to work under Safari. After all, the beauty of open source is anyone can work on it.
I figure it'd probably only cost you a couple days of work.
Incidentally, before coming after me, you might go after the multi-billion dollar Google, who despite having resources that could crush me under their smallest finger, continue to not support Safari with a variety of products. The world is such a hard place...
... That make sense? ... At the moment, I'm sad to say, Iconic doesn't handle doctype icons. Of course, since there's a batch of them going around, I should probably try to get that happening quickly...
Yup - so my basic problem was that I was trying to add a set of icons that's already in there , and also adding a set of icons that Iconic doesn't know what to do with yet. Sorry, a misunderstanding on my part (with a little help from Smokey!)
I look forward to future developments of Iconic, and I'm sure I can curb my rampant impatience for the new doctype icons until the lads have actually incorporated them into the beta, eh?
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: New Not NeoIconer
berchca wrote:
Incidentally, before coming after me, you might go after the multi-billion dollar Google...
I apologize if it felt I was "coming after you"... I didn't mean any offense. I think that Iconic is a great application, and appreciate the work that you have done on it.
I have actually done a couple of mockups for changes to the javascript portion of the interface so that it will work on Safari. When I get some time, I'll try to polish it up and send you what I've got.
Yup - so my basic problem was that I was trying to add a set of icons that's already in there , and also adding a set of icons that Iconic doesn't know what to do with yet. Sorry, a misunderstanding on my part (with a little help from Smokey!)
And apologies for my role in the misunderstanding...I assumed NeoIconer (er, Iconic) would "just work"
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: Re: New Not NeoIconer
toonetown wrote:
I apologize if it felt I was "coming after you"... I didn't mean any offense.
And I apologize for flying off the handle. Some days I'm like that, and tone isn't always easy to judge from the written word.
toonetown wrote:
I have actually done a couple of mockups for changes to the javascript portion of the interface so that it will work on Safari. When I get some time, I'll try to polish it up and send you what I've got.
I'd love to see them. There's actually been a bit of a development there just this morning. I was talking with the guy who is handling the windows port, and we got on how bad the webstuff looks (visual-wise) and the whole thing about AJAX came up. One of the really exciting possibilities is drag-and-drop within the webpage to build icon sets. Super easy, it would handle naming and everything.
Anyway, more on that soon. I'm distracted by other projects at the moment.
Smokey
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