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Samwise
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| yoxi wrote: | | I am personally mystified that anyone would want to open a palette in order *not* to go ahead and use it, but if that's what most folk have requested, then there you go, especially if it's how other Apple apps do their thing. |
As far as I can tell, the whole point of having floating palettes (instead of actual windows) is to be able to use them without needing to give them the focus. Otherwise a regular window would be just as effective, and there would be no reason for the palettes to exist? |
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yoxi
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I can see it both ways - there are the palettes that are essentially floating toolbars, which pretty much demand mouse interaction to use. But then there are palettes like Styles & Formatting, where there is a lot more potential for interaction with the palette (e.g. creating/editing styles).
I can see that no-one wants a palette that appears in the cycle of opened windows. But for me, it's a bloomin' nuisance if I can't navigate to the palette (and back again to the doc) using the keyboard, which is probably because I got into computers pre-GUI. If I'm using an app to write with, i.e. essentially a keyboard-driven activity, it's counter-productive to have to switch to the mouse to do certain things. Maybe this ctrl-F6 thing is the answer for folk like me.
I suppose it's different paradigms for different folks. Some mac users pride themselves in not knowing any keyboard shortcuts and always using the mouse. Serves me right for universalising my experience  .
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Samwise
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| pluby wrote: | | sardisson wrote: | | On Mac OS X, palette windows don't get focus by default when you open them (not the kind of focus you mean); you have to press Ctrl-F6 to focus them (and then have Full Keyboard Access on to do something useful with a focused palette). |
I just tested this and it appears that Ctrl-F6 has no effect on NeoOffice so I need to fix that.
Patrick |
Ctrl-F6 doesn't work for me with the Styles & Formatting palette either. However, the Media Browser (which gets the focus by default, BTW), does regain focus if you switch the focus to the window and then use Ctrl-F6… |
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jgd
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| yoxi wrote: | Serves me right for universalising my experience .
- padmavyuha |
Don't say that. It's good to share experiences, and the other users learn always something interessant.
Of course, 100,000 different users = many, many different needs and desires.
Also, the developer's life is not that easy
(La vie d'un programmeur n'est pas un long fleuve tranquille  )
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OPENSTEP
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Samwise wrote: | | Ctrl-F6 doesn't work for me with the Styles & Formatting palette either. However, the Media Browser (which gets the focus by default, BTW), does regain focus if you switch the focus to the window and then use Ctrl-F6… |
Yeah the Media Browser is pure cocoa; the other floating windows are still backed by OOo VCL. This may be why the behaviour is different.
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pluby
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| jgd wrote: | | Of course, 100,000 different users = many, many different needs and desires. |
The real question is where does the Apple HIG come from? Sometimes I think much of it is just what the Steve finds pleasing to his eye.
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pluby
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sardisson
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Slick!
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yoxi
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Homage...
...and from the palette with focus, you can get straight back to the document again using cmd-` - best of both worlds! |
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